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\f0\fs15 \cf2 00:00:00
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Great. Yeah. So this is more full of bacteria stem of.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Uh, no, I think the black is on the back side of the of the silicone. So the black is continue from here. So it's not.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Bacteria. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I find it hard to to to spend some time with it because. Yeah, I, I see I'm quite moving all the time and busy. Yeah. So. Yeah. Good to hear. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:00:35
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 So how was it living with it for the first week?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:00:39
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah. Um, as I wrote in the telephone, uh, at at the meals I'm aware of. Oh, yeah. Uh, where is it? What? How is it look like? But, uh, yeah, when I'm out of the house or. Yeah. Doing something, I'm not, uh, looking at it, so, uh. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:02
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 So at the meal, are you going closer to it then? At the meal.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:08
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 At the. At the meal?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:10
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah. So when you were eating right, you did the meal.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:13
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, I, um, take it with me and, uh, and do the position and the light.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:21
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 And, uh, but y at the meal.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:23
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Because I'm sitting, then.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:25
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 I think you are sitting down. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You're not so busy. You mean with other things?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:32
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Because I'm eating then and I sit down. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:34
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah. But when you sit down, this Oxy. Uh, was it close to you nearby? You? Yes, yes. Yeah. At the. At the eating.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:46
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Table. Yes. There. I see. And sometimes I put it like this.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:50
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Or I saw the picture.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:51
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 That was really nice. Yeah, it's a little bit dirty, but it's okay. It's normal.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:56
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Oh, and do you want to share anything else specific?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:02:01
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Um, no. That is what I, uh. The main. Yeah. Yeah. Experience. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:02:07
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Great. Um, now I'm going to ask you a few questions in more in detail. So, first of all, what did you notice in Oxy?\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, I noticed the the color a little bit. So, um, now you see some bluish. And, uh, in the beginning, I think it was more of a yellowish. And, uh, yeah, I can see it on the phone. Of course, with the pictures. And. Yeah, this is expanding, I think.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:02:39
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Which one?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:02:40
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 The. The green.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:02:41
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Green is expanding. Yeah. Mm.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:02:45
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 And also the the air bubbles. There are much more than in the beginning. I see. Yeah. And then I. I was playing a little bit looking what it does with the color, but not that much I think. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:03:03
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 So it's I remember in the pictures you sent, there are different colors, right? Yes. When did it change to this? Did you remember?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:03:13
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, I think two days ago. Something like that. Okay. Yeah. Because I. In the beginning, I sent you almost every day a picture, I think. And then. Not anymore. Yeah. So why was.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:03:25
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 That?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:03:26
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Um, yeah, just busyness. Oh, I see. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:03:32
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 I thought it was because it didn't change.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:03:34
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 No, no. Uh, yeah. Also, it. It didn't change that much anymore, I think when I remember. I see. Yeah. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:03:44
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 And, uh, do you remember when, uh. In what? So, you know, there's a change in this, uh, into before two days, right? Two days ago. What were you doing back then?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:04:00
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Uh, so that's now Friday. It was Wednesday. Yeah. Then, um, I had my grandchildren the whole day, so that is quite, uh. And another chance next to them. So. Yeah. Then you are all the the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:04:18
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 And where was it when you noticed it?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:04:22
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Also in the kitchen. Sometimes. Because it's there. Not that light. Because. Yeah. Uh, you have to, to look a place without, uh, sunlight, but with light. So that's, uh. Yeah, of course. Changing. Yeah. So, um.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:04:40
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, so it was in the kitchen when you saw the. The color was like this.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:04:44
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 I put it over there where there was another chair there and I put it over the chair. It's now gone. Yeah. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:04:51
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Great. And why do you think it changed in this manner? I mean, but also before. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:05:01
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 When I hear you talking it, it's a about the light that the light have some has some influence on the bacteria. Yeah. That's the only thing I can think of. Okay.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:05:21
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 And did the color change trigger any specific feelings or thoughts in you?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:05:27
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, of course. I wanted to have some result, so it's nice to see something happening. Yeah. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:05:36
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Uh, did, uh, and your feelings and thoughts were. Were they the same? Um, for instance, when you see the color was different. So you send me several pictures of different colors, right? Yeah. How did you feel? Were they. Were you feeling the same?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:05:51
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Uh, well, um, it's a little bit the mystery. So what I have to do, or, uh. Yeah, What, uh. What makes the change in the color? I see. So that's, uh. Yeah, you have to do something, but, uh, the result is not directly, uh, seeable.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:06:12
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 I see. Can you give an example? So.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:06:15
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Um. Well, then I had it some time at the. In the light, and then, uh, yeah, you the the changes going, uh, slowly. So you don't see it quite. Uh. Yeah, you don't. Yeah. It's also with the plants when you have some little plants and they grow and then after the night you go or after a day and then you see the difference. And that's also with this, I think. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah.
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\f0\fs15 \cf2 00:06:47
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 So did you learn that, um, how, how fast it will change over time?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:06:52
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yes, I think so.
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\f0\fs15 \cf2 00:06:54
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah. Great. Yeah. Can you, can you describe a bit like how fast does it change? Like in hours or. Uh.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:07:03
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, perhaps in half a day. Something like that. I see. Yeah. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:07:09
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Okay. Um. Yeah, You already mentioned that you didn't spend too much time with it, mainly because you were occupied with other stuff. Yeah. And did you find yourself, uh, let's say, setting aside some time for it and consciously?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:07:27
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Uh, yeah, just when I was eating. So then I, uh. Yeah. Was looking at it and more. Yeah. Concentrating on what? What I saw. I see. I think like that.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:07:40
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah. Yeah. So that's also because you had some time spare, uh, while you were eating and then you had this space. Yes. Is that so? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Great. Um, and did Oxy change or your daily routine in any ways?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:07:59
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Um, yeah, it's something extra, of course. Something new. And I only also, um, used it, uh, when the fire was on in the evening. And sometimes you get very sleepy of it because I think there is a less Oxygen. Uh, because of the fire. Yeah, of course we open the window, but. And then I, uh, got this one and put it near me and see what it does. But I was still sleepy then. Yeah. So that's not so obvious. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:08:35
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 And how did you. How did you. What did you think of Oxy? It didn't make you. Oh, fresh.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:08:41
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Again. Yeah. It's, of course, a very tiny little bit. I think the the Oxy Oxygen it, it gives so yeah, it, it's hard to, to notice what it does. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:08:55
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 And did you feel okay with that.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:08:58
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, it's of course. Yeah. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:09:02
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:09:04
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah. So the, the change of your routine is to have Oxy by your side while you're using the fireplace in in the evening and any other things that you have changed in your everyday life.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:09:20
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Um, yeah. So I put it near me when I said at the eating table and yeah, sometimes I, I see it in the room and I said, oh, I have to, uh, look afterwards. So was that.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:09:37
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Because I requested you to.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:09:39
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, of course. And, uh, I wanted to have a, uh, a success of course, with it. So. And then it was not, uh, uh, in the, in the light anymore. So I have to look for a better place. So, uh.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:09:52
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Do you mean that actually, you tend to forget about it? Actually, yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:09:57
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Sometimes I forget about it. Yes. Yeah.\
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\fs15 \cf2 00:00:00
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Please.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:00:01
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 So do you mean that actually, you tend to forget about it? Actually, yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:00:06
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Sometimes I forget about it. Yes. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:00:10
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Um. Okay. Uh, did you find this.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:00:14
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Change of routine enjoyable?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:00:20
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah. I like to do something new. Yeah. And, uh, yeah, it's. It's new. All the. The. The idea of making Oxygen with bacteria. Yeah. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:00:34
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 But would you say so when a new new newness goes? Would you say you will still enjoy living with it?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:00:43
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, I don't know because I don't notice so much difference in in the Oxygen. I see. Yeah. And yeah, I noticed that I, I'm always doing things. So that's, that makes it hard to look after it. Yeah. So you're more aware of that, that. Yeah. Yeah. So even on Tuesday I hadn't so much to do then. But yeah, I can't. Then I remember what, what I was doing. I see. And, and I'm not sitting on the couch and only doing this. Yeah. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:21
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 So would you say that if it gives this Oxygen more or at least you can feel the, the refresh of the air, would you say that would make you more, um, aware of its existence and more willing to, uh, give your time.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:41
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 To it, perhaps when you have some measurements that you can see the, the oxygen in the room and how it's going up and down and. Yeah, perhaps that makes it more, uh, clear. Yeah, yeah, yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:58
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Okay.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:01:59
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 So, but now you have to see it on the color. That that's the. Yeah, the measurement.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:02:04
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Uh, measurements. Yeah. So what, what does it mean to you now?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:02:09
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, I think there is some change from the beginning. So then it was only a a small green spot, if I remember. Okay. Yeah. And this yellow one. Yeah. More like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:02:23
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 And now what would you say?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:02:26
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, the form is a little bit different. So this is more on a Yeah, but.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:02:32
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 That's like approximate shape. So if you only looking at the color, what would you say it means.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:02:39
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah. Then it's more the. Yeah. The left one. Yeah. Because you don't see the yellow color anymore. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:02:47
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 And what does it mean to, to the.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:02:51
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 To the living bacteria.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:02:54
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Well then they are nice. They are fine. Feeling okay I think.
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\f0\fs15 \cf2 00:03:02
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 And do you think that says also something about the Oxygen that it will give?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:03:10
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, it should give more oxygen than the first. Okay. Yeah. Think so.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:03:16
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 You I mean do you. Do you do you connect them the two things?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:03:21
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yes, but it's only because you told me this, so I can't, uh, feel it or only see it here.
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\f0\fs15 \cf2 00:03:28
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Totally understand.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:03:29
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah. Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:03:33
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Okay. Um, okay. Next question, if that's okay. How did you take care of Oxy?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:03:40
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 What did you try?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:03:43
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, I try different positions. So hanging at somewhere, Uh, or a folded or. Um. Yeah, like to, to have a good light on it. And also, um, yeah, put it on several places in the, in the room. Which places? Yeah, depending on the light. So in the kitchen, uh, in front of the room, uh, window there and in the back of the room there and also on the orange chair. Um, on the back of the chair. Mm.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:04:21
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 On the back of the chair. Yeah. Can you show me.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:04:25
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 That a little bit?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:04:29
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 I see. Did you have a picture of this? No. No. Can I take one? Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:04:36
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Very interesting. And how did you. How did you find this out? What? What made you decide?\

\fs15 \cf2 00:04:44
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 It's just because of the light. And. Yeah, in the afternoon, there is really sun coming in. So then you don't do that. Okay. But, uh, yeah, and I thought perhaps it's because it's not white. Perhaps it's not. Uh.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:05:00
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Uh, sorry. Perhaps it's.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:05:03
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Well, when you put it on the white table, it's a different position than the. The dark color of the chair.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:05:13
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 You mean the front reflection is different? Yeah. Hm. Interesting. Great. Um, do you want to share any other positions that you find interesting or.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Here. Great. Can I take a photo? Yeah. And did you find.\

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\f0\i0 Was Oxy happy here and there?\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, it was changing a little bit until it is like this. But this is already, I think for some days like this. Okay. Yeah, yeah.\

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\f0\i0 Yeah. Because you mentioned it was in the kitchen while it changed to this.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Uh oh. I said so.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 You said when you notice. No, you said when you noticed it. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 And like this. Yeah, but I think I put it. Against something because I put like this. Yeah. And it was, Yeah. Here was the, the children's chair, but we use it so it was like this.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Which place do you think it likes most? What? Which place do you think it likes most? Oh.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 And then So you think that when I had it in one of those positions, then you have you should see some difference in the color. Yeah.\

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\f0\i0 Maybe after half a day you said. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And do you remember which, which time was.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 The happiest.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 In the kitchen? It was only for a short time. And also on the orange chair, I think the most of the time it was here. Okay. Or next to me.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 I see. So you kind of have a regular place for it.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Like, oh, I can. But I didn't. I was experimenting.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, but I mean, the area was mostly here. Yeah. Is that it?\

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\f0\i0 Okay, I see.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 I think because here is the most. The best light. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Interesting.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Any other places did you play?\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, I.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 I think I also was outside some some time, but only once.
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Did you take it outside with you. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Oh, great. Where is it? Can you show me the garden?\

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\f0\i0 Some when I was sitting there. Yeah, And of course, not in the summer.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 So near the chair area.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 I put it on the on the door.
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 I see.\

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\f0\i0 This is open and so nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there. Perhaps when I was sitting over here. But yeah, I'm just. Not so used to make much photos.\

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\f0\i0 Yeah, I totally understand.\

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\f0\i0 Yeah. Better this next week. Oh, it's moving. Great. Yeah, it's okay. I somehow think it.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Changed more purple.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Now. Before. Before I came in, it was more red. Do you remember? Yeah, I think so. But. Yeah.\

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\f0\i0 Yeah. Here. Yeah. This is more bluish. Grayish? Yeah. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 So, yes, Yes. And close. Okay.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:09:34
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\f0\i0 And how did you find these different places out? I didn't hear what you said.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 How did you.\

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\f0\i0 Because you showed me these different places. Yeah. How did you decide them or how did you find them out?\

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\f0\i0 It's just because of where the light was. Okay. Yeah. So that's very simple. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 But, I mean, you decided to, for instance, hang it here, and then I saw one picture. You stick on the wall. How? What, like, what made you change the different ways?\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, I was trying to, uh. And of course, it's perhaps the form. It's easy to to hang over something. Yeah. Because when you put it like this, it's. Yeah, it's also possible. Yeah. Especially when you put something, uh, to, to keep it and then the light can go into. But yeah, most of the times it's, it's best when you. Yeah. You put it in the light like this I think because when you do it this like this, it's, um. Yeah. Less, uh, harder for the for Oxy to catch the light.
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\f0\i0 Yeah. So you want it like, to go like, like directly perpendicular to it? Yeah. Oh, I see that. That was the. Yeah, that was the reason. Interesting. Yeah. Did you always want light to go this way?\

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\f0\i0 Uh, you mean not like this?\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 No, no, no. I mean, you said it's easier for the light to go to Oxy. Yeah. Do you mean the light coming from and this vertical to. To the direction?\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Okay.\

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\f0\i0 Um, next one. Okay, so when you did things to Oxy.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 How did Oxy respond to.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 You.\

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\f0\i0 To your actions?\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Um, yeah. Now I see when I move it. And then the purple spot here is going away with the bell. So it's a little bit like here I think. And now it's coming back again. Um. Yeah. Um. Perhaps I should be a little bit more patient and just sit down and, uh. Yeah. Pay more attention to, uh, what, uh, what happens. But how do you say that? Yeah, because I thought that it was not going to change so quickly, but now I see it. It's really quickly changing.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 You mean the bubble or the colour?\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 The colour also, because. Yeah, when I did this, it's here more grey and the purple is gone, you see. But yeah, that that's not because of the bacterias are less active, it's just that it's. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 The liquids. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 And did you when you um, for instance when you place it there, did you come back to see the change of the colour.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yes, but not that I remember very well. That it. Yeah. It, yeah. In my remembering it, it was only changing a little bit.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 I see. Yeah. Can you describe it? Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 What do you mean? That this was expanding the. The green spot was more, uh, smaller first and there was more, uh, a blue line and the yellow colour here. Yeah, Just like it was here. Yeah. This. Yeah. Yeah. And then the yellow was. Was moving and that was, I think after a few days. Yeah. Okay.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 So the first time you saw the color change was after a few days of trying out different.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 And then I thought, oh, it's really changing. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, that's, uh. And then, yeah, you're looking more at it because there is something happening. I see.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Is that also, uh, motivating you to the change itself? Does that motivate you to try more things?\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yes.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Of course.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Because when when nothing happens, it's. It's boring. Yeah. And, uh. Yeah, when you. When you see an effect, then, uh, it's. It's nice, you see. Uh, good to hear. Yeah, but of course, I'm not a researcher. I'm just.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, yeah, of course.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:14:48
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 My mind is not like that, I think.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 But you are the expert of your own experience, so.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yes, but. Yeah, but my attention is, uh, everywhere. Yeah. I'm not a real. Yeah, yeah, he is better in that.\

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\f0\i0 But that's what I'm interested in because people. Otherwise I can give this to people and invite them to the lab and, and see how they react. Right. But I'm really interested in. So you, you are not only looking after it, you have the garden, you have plants, you have grandchildren, you have many things. Yeah. So I'm really interested in how this how you live with it. You can ignore it, right? You can forget about it. Yeah. That's really interesting. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Right. And.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Um, I think we.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Already touched upon the feelings when you noticed changes, but can you elaborate more because you said, Oh, it's nice to see the change and it makes you even more motivated to take care of it. Are there other feelings, uh, you ever have?\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Um, it can be.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Positive or negative.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Anything could be.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 I understand. Uh, yeah. Um, well, I. I said yes to the experiments, so I. I find it normal that I do some my best to make it, uh, a success. So, um. Yeah. And and to have some time to spend some time with it. Um, but yeah, then I find, um, I find out that I'm, I'm really. Yeah, I'm not that attentive. Not, uh, no. So not spending so much attention to it. So I would like to do it, but yeah. Then one day, uh, yeah. Okay. One day is gone. And then I thought, oh yeah, I should have looked at it more or a little bit. Guilt feelings, I think.
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Because you promised.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Me. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah. So actually, can I understand? Like, this doesn't really make you want to take care that much Also because you are involved in other things, but because you promised me to do this research so you feel a bit guilty.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 And also I find out that I'm really busy all all the time so that I didn't know that.
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, it's.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Normal. A little bit. I know. Of course I knew, but. Yeah, it's more than I thought.\

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\f0\i0 Yeah, yeah, yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Uh, okay, so.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:17:38
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 We come to the.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Final questions, which I think we.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:17:42
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Already also discussed about motivation and do you feel motivated to look after Oxy and why?\

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\f0\i0 Uh, yes. Uh, so I wanted to, uh. Yeah. To see if, uh, how, uh. How it, um, how it changes. And, uh, yeah, I think it's a good idea to, uh, think, uh, to make some such a thing. Um, uh, yeah, Um, of course, I, I wonder how you are going to use it in society or in some work or something. Yeah. And, um, I don't know that, um. Yeah, I, um. I have to learn, um, yeah. To, to, to, to, to pay more attention to it, I think. And that takes some time. So, uh, yeah, I think the second week will be other, uh, different from the first week.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 But also don't feel obligated to, to do a lot because it's about the real how you really feel. It's not about doing things for me.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.\

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\f0\i0 But I know. I know already more how it's reacting. The Oxy and. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Great. Yeah.\

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\f0\i0 Uh, what would motivate you even more? Uh, what do you think?\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Um, because now I see that it's really, uh, uh, is changing. And I regret that I didn't make a more photos of it. So then you, uh. Then you don't only have to remember it, but you can see it. So I will do that, uh, next week, I think. Okay. I hope so. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Does the photo taking itself motivate you as well?\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Uh, that's also, I think, a way to, uh, to look properly at it. So, uh, yeah. So is there something to make a photo of, or is it still the same? But of course you can still make a photo when it's not changing because that's also some kind of result. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 So when you see the photo, uh, sorry, when you take a photo and then when you take a next photo, you can actually compare them. Yes.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yes.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 And that's much easier, of course, than when you only have to remember how it was, uh, three days ago or. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah. So the, the knowing, knowing its correct state is also quite motivated. Yes.\

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\f0\i0 Yes. Okay. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Um, you also mentioned that if you know how much Oxygen, it's, it's giving like more accurately or you can feel the effect, it will also motivate you more.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yes. Okay. Yes, I think so. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Are there any other things or. That was it.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Um.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, of course. It's a nice measurement with only colors and forms when you have an, uh, kind of a yeah, uh, scale with, uh, some, uh. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if. If that is much nicer than this. You you have to get to learn, uh, to how to read it and to, uh.
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, yeah, yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 So that's, uh, of course, new. Yeah. So, yeah, we have a thermometer or something. It's. Yeah. And you already know how it is or. And Oxygen meter.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Okay. So is that a nice thing that it's not so numeric?\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, I think so. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 But of course you. Perhaps you want them both. That's, uh. That you can see it, uh, next to each other, and then. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Mm. Interesting. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 So you would.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Really like to know its function? Yes. Really like to know the effect of its function? Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Okay.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Final question.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Does this experience of living with Oxy remind you of any other, uh, taking care of other things? For instance, a plant and animal or a person.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Know, an animal is more demanding sometimes. Care for the dog of my daughter? Yeah. She's just coming to you and says, I want to play with you or I want to sit on your lap or I want this. Yeah, that's different. And also, the grandchildren do that. Of course, a plant is, uh. Yeah. You also have to be secure. Quite secure, because, uh. Yeah, when you forget the plant, uh, it's sometimes, uh, yeah. Dry or dead or something like that. So. Yeah, that I think that's not with this, that, uh, it's not going to die so easily. Perhaps it is. Or. Yeah, perhaps when it's in the dark.\

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\f0\i0 I'm understanding what you're saying. So you're actually saying that plant is even more demanding than this? Because it can die more easily?\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah. I don't know how easily easy this can die. Perhaps when you put it in a box and, uh, in the cellar where it's dark because know what's.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Going to happen.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, because I mentioned a few things here, like, don't do this. Don't, don't do that. Yeah. And actually, you think those are actually quite easy to, to, to achieve, so you don't have to. Um, for instance, if you just leave it here, it's okay. And if it needs more light, it's okay also. So you don't need to. It's not so urgent. Yeah. Like watering your plant if you don't do it properly the next day, it's already very dry. Yeah. Yeah, I see. Yeah.\

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\f0\i0 But the, the common thing is that you also have, uh, had those experience with plants. So I have there that greenhouse and it's very, uh, yeah, when it's a clear day like today with much sun, it's, uh, very quickly warm inside. So you have really have to open the doors. And when you don't, all the plants are going to rain. So yeah, when you see that once, uh, yeah, you, you know, for the next time and it's a little bit like this.
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Of course you need to learn about it. Yeah.\

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\f0\i0 And by the way, you, you really love plants right? Do you also do you take care of them because they give you Oxygen or is it something else?\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Mhm. Yeah. I like also the, the forms and the different and the color and the. Yeah. And, and see that it's doing well when you take care for it properly. Yeah. It's nice to see that. Yeah. But it's uh.\

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\f0\i0 Yeah. And you mentioned this with Oxy. You would like to see, like the function more. What? What makes it different to you?\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, that's an interesting question.\

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\f0\i0 Um. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, of course. It's it's more a a a plant is more, uh, dry, uh, three dimensional. This is only flat, I think. And the form is not that, uh, different or. But here you have more colors.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 So basically you're saying the plants are more.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:26:07
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Pleasing to look at? Um, yeah, because they are.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:26:12
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:26:13
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\f0\i0 And of course you also have to remembrance that some plants I it's a gift from someone or. Yeah. Like this.\

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\f0\i0 So Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 I see.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Interesting. So you are not really thinking about, okay, the plant is giving Oxygen now I will get close to it or something like that. Oh.\

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\f0\i0 Um. Yeah. When I work in the garden, I like it because, uh. Uh, yeah, I make, uh, good circumstances for the plants. So now it's the time that everything grows very quickly. And also the the plants you don't want to have.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah. The weeds.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 The weeds. Yeah. So you really have to, uh, work on that. And, um, perhaps it's something quiet and less. Um, yeah, yeah. It's the difference when you work in the garden and there are not that much noises. Only some birds whistling.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Or when you are walking in town and, uh, there are all, uh, colors, movements, uh, people noise. Yeah.\

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\f0\i0 So it's also the quietness and peacefulness that the plants give you that's more important. Yeah. Great to hear. Great. Very interesting. And do you want to share anything else? Like, just in general?\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:27:55
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 What are you going to do with it? What is the idea of, uh.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Uh, of this Artefact, you mean? Yeah, it's it's only for this research. So for me, it's important that I understand people through this Artefact. For me, it's not that important. It's. It's a product, or I'm going to sell it. It's not important for me. It's important I, I learn about people and what people think through giving this Artefact to them. So there is no final aim for this Artefact so far. Yeah.\

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\f0\i0 Yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:28:31
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 I think it helps me to understand you. And that's important. Okay.\

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\f0\i0 Yeah. Okay. Yeah.\

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\f0\i0 Also, I once did a test with this kind of thing. Yeah. When, uh, it was new that the the internet on the television and, uh. And, uh, how you. Yeah. When I was young, there was only one button to put it on and one, two, three programmes and then that was all. But now it's more difficult, of course. Yeah. And then me and my neighbour, we were invited at your faculty I think. And also.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 I see. Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 That was also a user thing.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 So that, that we call a different kind of study. So that is called more of a lab study where people go there and then oh yeah, for instance I present this Oxy to you. Yeah. And then you just play with it and tell me what you think. That's another type of study.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:29:36
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 And in this study, we give the Artefact to you in your familiar context. Yeah, yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Yeah, yeah.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:29:44
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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 And of course, that's all different when you have another person. Yeah, another life and another house and. Yeah.\

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\f0\i0 Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Great. Okay. Um.\

\fs15 \cf2 00:29:58
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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Thanks for your time again.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Okay.\

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\f2\i Speaker 1: 
\f0\i0 Shall we also set a.\

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\f2\i Speaker 2: 
\f0\i0 Date for.\

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\f0\i0 Next next interview?\
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