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Speaker 1: Okay. And how was the first week? How was it like to live with no name yet? Artefact. Um.
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Speaker 2: Good. Yeah. Not. Not. Um. I tried. Um. What I showed you, I move it. Yeah, but that's all.
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Speaker 1: And you. You kept it. It's fine.
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Speaker 2: There. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You kept it always in that room, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's doing great. It's doing great. The Artefact. What do you mean? The Artefact is doing great. It shows very nice colors.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Have you given a nickname to it yet?
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Speaker 2: No, I'm still thinking about it, but, um. Yeah, I have, like, some questions about this material just to know. Yeah, sure.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead.
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Speaker 2: So, uh, I guess that the the they do the photosynthesis, so they, uh, use light. Yeah. Um, as, uh, energy. No, as food, let's say. And, um. And this is what they then use to. Um, purify air or how does it, uh. How does it work? Work? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the light is very important for them. Yeah, it's almost the most important energy. Okay, They have food, but it's not like they depend on the food. Okay. Um, and then they absorb the light and they have some. It's a thing called chlorophyll. Yeah. You also have them in the leaves. Yeah. And then they kind of translate the light energy. Yeah. Through a very complicated process, which I'm not able to explain. But there are many steps involved and many molecular things happen. Um, but to simplify the whole process, it's almost like light one time water. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Two times water. Um. Oh, wait. Let me think. Yeah, something like light water and carbon dioxide. So CO2 and then equals Oxygen. Okay, something like that. But I'm not able to explain the very complicated process. So the the Oxygen actually comes from water. Okay. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Okay. And so now the bacteria is in a in with water or.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there is water. Okay. In not in the form of a water, of course, but, uh, it's kind of locked into the gel. Okay. And the bacteria is also in the gel. Yeah. So they are kind of all together in the gel like structure.
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Speaker 2: And what is the, the material of the, um, where it's placed? Like this thing you gave me. Like, what is this? The material.
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Speaker 1: The material of the transparent thing. That's a silicone. Okay. Yeah. And then. And there is the color, right? The color part is the gel. Yeah. So it's basically like sandwiched in between two silicone layers. That's why you touch the silicone. But then it's like, put inside. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. Yeah. Just curious about it.[JZ1]
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Um, so, yeah, it was fine, I, I just. Yeah, hang it on the wall and, uh, yeah, more or less. I think the colors are stay the same. So. Yeah, at night, it's, um. Less bright.[JZ2]
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Speaker 1: Less bright? You mean less purple. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And, um. But then. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But when it was less purple, it was. It still kind of purple ish. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I see. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting. It's just that it's less bright.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. And.
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Speaker 2: And the green is, like, more dark. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Over time. Or only in the day.
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Speaker 2: During. During. No, only during when the sun, uh, is not there anymore. Like it's. There is still some sunlight. Um. But you can see that the color is. That's all. Okay. But slightly.
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Speaker 1: Can I actually go there? Yeah, sure. See it while we interview? I'm sorry. Because I.
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Speaker 2: Do something, and.
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Speaker 1: That's fine. Smith. Norris.
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Speaker 2: Here. It is. Nice.
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Speaker 1: So you actually need this part. The purple here. Yeah. It is less bright in the.
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Speaker 2: Know that this green or this part is less bright I think.
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Speaker 1: Is it more like.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more like this. Okay. But at night.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. In the day. It's always like this. Yeah. Does it change from morning to afternoon?
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if it's okay.
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Speaker 1: Let's continue with the question. Okay. Um. It was nice to live with it. It was fine. And is there anything specific you want to share for the first week?
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Speaker 2: Um, no. I was wondering, uh, yeah, about, like, the organism at all, because as I saw, the, like, the bubbles, you see. Yeah. They were already bubbles when you gave it to me, but now they are. Maybe distributed.[JZ3]
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Speaker 1: But. Yeah. What do you think? The bubbles are.
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Speaker 2: There. Mm.
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Speaker 1: Oh. I mean, I'm not sure there are also bubbles in other pieces, but as I said, it's very complicated, so I'm not able to explain.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, uh, when you give it to me, there were already bubbles. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Because when I gave. Yeah, when I gave, it was already a few days old. I mean, old, like, after I made the Artefact. So all the reactions are going on. So that's, that's why. But the moment I made, there was no bubble.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Uh, so, uh, yeah, I don't know. Okay. Uh, but I check it because the first photo, I think that photo from the first day, but I just place it. They are already bubbles.
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Speaker 1: Is that this much or no? Is it more?
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Speaker 2: There were like two but were bigger, I think 2 or 3 bigger. And now they are distributed. Yeah. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: But you didn't move then. They just distribute by themselves. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But they clean it for example. And I don't know, maybe they moved. Okay then. Yeah. And, um. Yeah. And then I was thinking, how long does it live? Like, okay, it's, uh, because here it's in a closed environment, so. Yeah, I don't know. Can this live in a closed environment? [JZ4]Me neither.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. But it's not completely closed because the silicone is breathable. Okay, so, um, air can go inside or outside. Okay. Um, not water, Only air. Yeah. Um, nutrition can be depleted, but. In theory, yeah. I'm not very sure. But it could be that when the cells die, they become like nutrients again. Okay. And. And then maybe they can. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Okay. I'm not very sure, but just not think of it as a close, close environment. But there are gas exchange. Yeah, sure. Okay. So actually, it's now releasing oxygen into the air and absorbing CO2. Okay. Okay, Next question. How did you take care of it and what did you try?
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Speaker 2: I clean it. Uh, because here. Yeah, it was a bit. Of soil and before moving there, we need there. Yeah, that's all I did.
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Speaker 1: So you did. Here. You put it here. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: At the beginning was here? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And I did it. And I put it here.
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Speaker 2: And hang it.
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Speaker 1: And why did you move it? Here To here? Um.
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Speaker 2: I think because first I wanted to try. How could I see it? Because here I had. Like a white paper under it to know to yeah. To check the colors. And here I thought well already the the there is a white background. Yeah, I don't know. It was easier. And it's also easier to see how it is.[JZ5]
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. You said you can see it from your bedroom as well. And why did you put it here in the first place? Um.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, because I. I wasn't aware of, uh, that, uh. There was something. Joking.
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Speaker 1: No, no. I mean, why did you put it here?
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Speaker 2: Um, yeah, because I had more plans. And the spot. I don't know. And I was thinking on a horizontal surface, not. I don't know, I. I thought that maybe this will fall. Like. I don't know.[JZ6]
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Speaker 1: What do you mean, this will fall?
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Speaker 2: Like, uh, as it seems, I felt that this, um, shape could change if it wasn't vertical.
00:10:49
Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
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Speaker 2: And I thought, better not move it.[JZ7]
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Speaker 1: I see. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: They will all be.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Nice. But I see it not.
00:11:01
Speaker 1: Yeah. And was the light conditions here all right. Did it get like. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Was the same color? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And there's no direct sunlight here, I guess.
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Speaker 2: Uh, no, no, because I see this is growing day by day, so.[JZ8]
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Speaker 1: Oh, the growing thing. Is it the plant? Yeah. Oh, I see. So it provides a natural shelter to you? Yeah. Great. Um, I think you've already mentioned how the Artefact respond to your actions. Um, so just briefly summarize when you put it here and the color turned like bright, brighter than the first day.
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Speaker 2: No, not the first day. Like, uh, two days, maybe two days.
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Speaker 1: It became brighter. Yeah. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that two days.[JZ9]
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Speaker 1: And when did you notice that? When it became brighter. Um. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: And I. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Oh, the photo you sent the moment.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Great. And when you move it to here from here to there, you didn't notice too much. No change. Okay. And I guess you don't you want to keep it here because it's already very nice, right? Yeah, of course. Yeah. And why do you think it. The color became brighter here after two days.
00:12:36
Speaker 2: Uh, I think because it's, uh, like 2 or 3 days since you place it somewhere to be able to know the reaction of the, um, Artefact. So I guess that, uh.
00:12:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, but why did it change here?
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Speaker 2: Because, uh, as it was the first place that was maybe already settled down, I don't know. Said that the Artefact felt. Okay. I'm settling down here. [JZ10]I see.
00:13:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know, like, uh.
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Speaker 1: It's getting used to the environment, you mean? Yeah, I guess. I see. Um, great. Next question. Oh, yeah. This is fun. So how did you feel when you first noticed the color change?
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Speaker 2: Um. Yeah. From that it was. Yeah. Doing well in this spot. So that. Yeah, it was. A good place to be. Yeah.
00:14:00
Speaker 1: So how about your feelings, your emotions?
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Speaker 2: Um. No. Well, I don't know. I didn't felt the. Uh. Felt like happy. Yeah, because I saw it was working, but. You have the same time. I also wanted to try these other things, so. Yeah. Yeah.[JZ11]
00:14:32
Speaker 1: And did you have any other feelings besides Happy during the first week?
00:14:42
Speaker 2: Who? Curiosity, maybe.
00:14:44
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a feeling, though.
00:14:49
Speaker 1: I think it is. If you're curious to know more about how it works, as you asked me the questions. Yeah. Um, okay. The next question is about how much time did you find yourself setting aside for the Artefact? Um.
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Speaker 2: And in the beginning we did here. And then I think it took like two minutes, two.
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Speaker 1: Times, two minutes, two.
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Speaker 2: Minutes and say, okay. And I yeah, I thought, okay, I can do that. So yeah, it was two minutes. Okay.[JZ12]
00:15:26
Speaker 1: And did you, for instance, come here just to see it for some time?
00:15:30
Speaker 2: Um, not yet, because I'm like, working on this, but from the back. I see.
00:15:38
Speaker 1: So I see. Um.
00:15:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
00:15:42
Speaker 1: So it could be. So, for instance, you said your first time you came here after two days and see the color change. Yeah, it could be also the color change before you just didn't come. No, no, no.
00:15:53
Speaker 2: I usually come here like I come. I'm here once per day. So because I need to take care also from the plants. [JZ13]Oh, I see. Yeah. So. Or something like that. The laundry or whatever. So I come here. Yeah. Um, every day. I mean, uh, here is my bedroom, and I.
00:16:18
Speaker 1: I it's easy to come visit. You also do other things in this.
00:16:22
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, um, I'm doing, uh.
00:16:25
Speaker 1: And this one's all yours. This one's all. All. All of them. Oh, nice.
00:16:31
Speaker 2: So that's why. Yeah, I'm busy.
00:16:37
Speaker 1: I see.
00:16:37
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh.
00:16:40
Speaker 1: Great. And the Artefact. Did they change your daily routine in any ways?
00:16:46
Speaker 2: No, no. I mean, as I already have plants. Other things here. It's one more and, uh, requires less, uh, maintenance, let's say. I see.[JZ14]
00:17:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, we. Understandable. Yeah. Um. Okay. And do you feel motivated to look after the Artefact?
00:17:09
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:17:09
Speaker 1: Yeah. Why is that? Um.
00:17:16
Speaker 2: At least. Let's see. It's easy, I'd say. So I don't have to take much care at all. Um, just take a look once in a while. Yeah. Per day. And. Yeah, that's all. So it. I mean, it's low maintenance. Yeah. Yeah. Um, it would be different. It would be bonsai.
00:17:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. So that's your main motivation?
00:17:51
Speaker 2: Um. No, no. Because at the same time, um. Yeah. I mean, it's not that. It's because it's easy. My motivation. Yeah, but it's also beautiful. So, uh. Yeah, it's nice to. To, to see. [JZ15]Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:17
Speaker 1: And what? Just imagine what would make you even more motivated to take care of it. Um. Well. Like, more.
00:18:41
Speaker 2: Functionality? No. Sorry. More functionalities? I don't know. More functionality? Yes. But, uh. Um. What do you mean.
00:18:50
Speaker 1: By more functionalities?
00:18:53
Speaker 2: Yeah that the or understanding maybe because in a plant I will do the the the signal okay but you can check a lot of things like the leaves the soil like there are a lot of things to take care. I see. And here it's easy because then you have just a color. Yeah. But I don't know if the shape I don't know if the bubbles means something, if this shape means something.
00:19:20
Speaker 1: If I see.
00:19:23
Speaker 2: I don't have more information. Yeah.[JZ16]
00:19:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. Is it all also about the accessibility? Because you said you can check the soil? Yeah, it's more like you can, you know, directly see and touch it.
00:19:36
Speaker 2: No, no, not at all. Because, uh, I cannot touch. Touch it at all. Yeah.
00:19:41
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is. Is that something you would like to have actually touch it?
00:19:46
Speaker 2: I think it's, uh, dangerous.
00:19:48
Speaker 1: Not only touch it, I don't mean necessarily touch it, but more like. Okay, you have the soil, you can see the moisture, the plant, you can see the leaf. Is there something you mean or is something else?
00:20:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, because at the end it's more like maybe the experience. Uh, um. You cannot participate. Interact at.[JZ17]
00:20:07
Speaker 1: All. I see.
00:20:09
Speaker 2: With a blend you can interact and with this it just contemplating. [JZ18]Yeah, yeah, yeah. I see what you mean. Yeah. Plan. You have to water it Sometimes you have to cut some. Do something. And here I just need to watch it, which is fine. Um, but then, uh, it will be like a painting. A painting?[JZ19]
00:20:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand. Yeah, but this is about the interaction part, right? Yeah. Not necessarily. Because you mentioned functionality. I thought it would be.
00:20:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, but, I mean, if I knew more information about it, for example. I don't know. Yeah. Or even know how many Oxygen, uh, has, uh, purified today. Whatever. [JZ20]I see. Yeah.
00:21:04
Speaker 1: So is it also part of the interaction?
00:21:07
Speaker 2: Well, if it gives some information, it's not interaction at all, but it's information just to.
00:21:14
Speaker 1: Communicate for.
00:21:15
Speaker 2: Something else. Yeah.
00:21:16
Speaker 1: Uh, is the color change not enough information for you?
00:21:21
Speaker 2: It, uh. Maybe it's because the color, it's good. And so I. I don't see many differences. Yeah. Um. So yeah, it doesn't change so much the color I see.
00:21:36
Speaker 1: But it, it kind of already means, Oh, it's really happy here.
00:21:39
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:21:40
Speaker 1: I mean, does that make you feel kind of satisfied? Because it's producing a lot of a lot of Oxygen.
00:21:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know how much.
00:21:50
Speaker 1: You still would like to know.
00:21:52
Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah.[JZ21]
00:21:53
Speaker 1: Oh, interesting. Yeah. And is that important to you that the Oxygen part that it cleans the air in the room?
00:22:05
Speaker 2: Um. It's important. Well, in that case, that functionality. But, um. It's also what it's meant. Like at the end, if it purifies the Oxygen, it makes it the space. It's also more balanced like you do with plants. Like plants also absorb and amplify the Oxygen So you would expect. Yeah, also like an Artefact that it's in balance with. Yeah. The environment. Where is it? Yeah. So it's fine if it's uh, happy and well settled, but. Oh, yeah. If it can contribute somehow. Yeah, it's better.[JZ22]
00:22:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. Yeah. Well is very interesting insights. I think there's one last question. Okay. Um, does the experience of taking care of the Artefact remind you of your other experiences of caring for other things like a plant or pet or a person or maybe kombucha?
00:23:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a person, but a plant or kombucha. Yes. Though this is super easy. Like my experience. Yeah. Like which always can get a very complicated and plans can also be. So this is a low low maintenance say like it's. Like for some people that don't can take care even from a cactus, that cactus cactus like there's people that say, no, I cannot take care of cactus.[JZ23]
00:24:00
Speaker 1: Neither is it like a cactus then.
00:24:02
Speaker 2: Easy.
00:24:03
Speaker 1: Even.
00:24:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's easier than cactus if you have the the like conditions. Yeah, yeah. The yeah. The environment that goes from.
00:24:15
Speaker 1: As I, as I understand you actually enjoy more if you can do more. I mean the information and interaction if you can engage more into with the Artefact. Yeah.
00:24:29
Speaker 2: Uh. At least if it's something that I have to take care of.[JZ24] If it's, uh, let's say, uh, artwork, it's another thing. So. And I don't have to take care of it just.
00:24:46
Speaker 1: Because you mentioned this is like a war picture. Yeah. Uh, how do you. How do you see it? And is it more close to this and or because.
00:24:57
Speaker 2: It's a mix, but, uh, as, uh, it's quite similar to, uh, drawing. Yeah.
00:25:05
Speaker 1: But you still think it's more close to.
00:25:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I have to take care. But if it's fine, I don't do anything.
00:25:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's somewhere in between, actually. Oh, nice.
00:25:16
Speaker 2: Between.[JZ25]
00:25:19
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And when you mention you. When you mention you like to, for instance, cut or prune the plant. Like how what do you actually just enjoy the the process or is there anything else that make you like to interact with plants?
00:25:47
Speaker 2: Seeing that they are okay after that or. Yeah. I mean, some of them needed more and some of them it's just, uh, aesthetics. But, um, yeah, it's, uh, I, I, I enjoy it. Then I see that the plant is okay. The plant is okay. [JZ26]After that, it's not okay. But nothing. So.
00:26:11
Speaker 1: So, so it's important that you do you make some effort and it's. It's showing that you it's okay.
00:26:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, that I see that I.
00:26:21
Speaker 1: Can see it change. I see. For best, let's say.
00:26:26
Speaker 2: Does it is this the same with this? Except from that.
00:26:29
Speaker 1: There's I mean it's it's super cool that it's fine, that it's doing well, but I don't have any challenge so it's. [JZ27]Yeah.
00:26:36
Speaker 2: I see what you mean. Yeah. Which is.
00:26:38
Speaker 1: Fine. Absolutely fine. But yeah, I cannot interact much more. Yeah. And so that's why. Okay so maybe it, it's more close to an, uh, artwork to watch then. Not to take care.[JZ28]
00:26:56
Speaker 2: Great. Yeah. I guess it would be different if your place is super dark.
00:27:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, like.
00:27:01
Speaker 2: You really need to.
00:27:02
Speaker 1: Carry it outside every day. Yeah, I.
00:27:05
Speaker 2: Guess. Yeah, That's different. Yeah.
00:27:12
Speaker 1: Nice. Okay. Um.

[JZ1]Curious about how it works
[JZ2]Noticing the colour is less bright at night
[JZ3]Bubbles
[JZ4]Intrigued about their longevity in such environment perceived as closed
[JZ5]Moving because of the white background itŐs easier to see the colours
[JZ6]First idea is horizontal surface because not sure if vertical would damage the artefact
[JZ7]Being careful in the beginning because the artefact appears Éso?
[JZ8]Selected a spot without direct sunlight, shade created by plants growing above the rooftop
[JZ9]After two days first noticed the change of colour
[JZ10]The artefact settled down :)
[JZ11]Seeing that itŐs working - happy feeling
[JZ12]Two minutes spent on the artefact
[JZ13]Because itŐs placed near the plants, so when she sees the plants she also sees the artefact
[JZ14]The artefact is really low maintenance
[JZ15]Beautiful and nice to see, is motivative, also it doesnŐt require too much effort
[JZ16]More information would help to motivate more - such as many aspects of the artefact to check the status - colours, bubbles, etc. Compare to a plant
[JZ17]And more experience to participant and interact with the artefact would motivate more
[JZ18]Current interaction is quite limited to complation
[JZ19]The artefact is also like a painting
[JZ20]Would like to know more information such as the amount of oxygen producedÉ in a numeric way
[JZ21]Although the colour indicates that itŐs happy here and itŐs producing oxygen, still she likes to know exact number
[JZ22]Producing oxygen is important because it contributes to the balance of the environment 
[JZ23]Compared to plants or Kombucha this is super easy to maintain.
[JZ24]It would motivate more if the care requirement is even more
[JZ25]It resembles something in-between a plant and a wall picture
[JZ26]Seeing a plant is doing well and aesthetic - itŐs nice
[JZ27]Would like to have more challenge in taking care
[JZ28]Would also like to have more interaction


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