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Speaker 1: The week was Jingjing.
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Speaker 2: I think actually I have contact with Ginger in less than last week because the location. Usually I absorbed my plants, including Ginger when I'm having breakfast, but I'm not holding my breakfast in the toilet, so I only look at the green drain, I think once or twice a day when I when I wash my hands in the toilet because usually I wash my hands in my kitchen.[JZ1] So that's also a reason. But I think Ginger is doing really well compared to last week. Like, actually I see the red top corner turns green last night.
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Speaker 1: Sorry. The white color.
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Speaker 2: The white color. The white color that's used to without all the bacteria died. But it's green again.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Can you show.
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Speaker 2: Me? I'll take a picture to you today. Okay. Last night it's really late and I just went to bed. Okay. And and the the the purple color I also saw these days, it's just turns out purple sometimes. But I think this afternoon I can capture a picture that was with what I describe. Okay, great.
00:01:11
Speaker 1: Is there anything that changed in the second week?
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Speaker 2: Now, the location didn't change. Keep the look. It's there all the time. So as I said, the color is way better than last week. [JZ2]Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Why do you think that happened?
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Speaker 2: Because the light, I think last week, it got some directional light, so some. Some bacteria died. And this week? Yeah, the location is really bright, but it doesn't have direct sunlight.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Okay. And why did you choose to put it in the bathroom?
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Speaker 2: Because the bathroom is very light. Yeah, it just has this white tiles everywhere, so it reflects a lot of sunlight.
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Speaker 1: But it doesn't have direct sunlight.
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Speaker 2: Exactly.
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Speaker 1: See? So you think changing like your bathroom environment? I think.
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Speaker 2: So. I think it also gets used to my home. Like mean temperature, humidity. After two weeks, it completely get used to it.[JZ3]
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Speaker 1: Nice. How did you feel about it?
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Speaker 2: You had to feel generally as part of my home, like like a member of the this this house as just as all my plants.
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Speaker 1: And did you have other feelings during the second week?
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Speaker 2: I felt like sometimes I look at it, You're doing that house. It's nice to have something you don't have to take care of so much. Like plants, you really have to put a lot of energy in and that's more even more challenging. You can just look at it. That's it. So actually feel quite chill to have this nice.[JZ4]
00:02:48
Speaker 1: Um, you said you set aside less time in the second week to look after Jean. Um, and I assume that it also didn't really change your routine anymore.
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Speaker 2: No, no, not at all. No.
00:03:00
Speaker 1: So when you go to your bathroom, you just take a look at your drink. Just. Yeah. By.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Most time when I have to wash my hands in the bathroom, then I would look at the ginger. Okay.
00:03:13
Speaker 1: Mm. Do you feel. Did you feel. So last time you said you felt motivated to take care of changing. And in the second week, did you feel more motivated or less motivated?
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Speaker 2: Actually less motivated because I think I got used to not changing. Like I know what it lacks, what it does like. And I don't require that much attention, so. It's accurate that have to be taken care at all. Just let it be.[JZ5]
00:03:41
Speaker 1: So if you have to give yourself a score, how much of a good carer do you think you are towards changing over the two weeks? You can either be an excellent carer, a cessation carer, average carer or a bad carer.
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Speaker 2: I think I'm excellent because it's doing well now. Think I'd use it takes me two weeks to figure it out somehow. So think I'm excellent here.
00:04:14
Speaker 1: So the efforts you you had in over the two weeks, the efforts or the trial and errors that made you an excellent carer. You think?
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Speaker 2: Okay. I actually didn't judge about how much effort I put in. I touched upon how Gingering feels like how Gingering performs now because it performs well. So I think I'm doing great.
00:04:41
Speaker 1: And is there anything that can even improve? Your character was changing.
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Speaker 2: I actually would like to move it a little bit so I could absorb it more. Like maybe somewhere on the wall outside the wall. It stays now, so I can kind of look at it more or maybe move it closer to my door to the door of toilet. So I think I'll get more chance to look at it.
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Speaker 1: So the visibility of gingering can be better. Why is that?
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Speaker 2: Because I like to look at him.[JZ6]
00:05:13
Speaker 1: Okay. So actually now, although the condition is good for Jing, but it's kind of away from you. Yeah.
00:05:19
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like you're raising a plant or head, but you don't see them so much.
00:05:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand.
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Speaker 2: Don't mind that. But I would love to. When I would love to move it somewhere. I can see it more, but still feel as good as it is now.
00:05:34
Speaker 1: And why didn't you try that?
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Speaker 2: I just didn't think about so much because I was busy with my.
00:05:41
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. Unless. Ask you. Um, last week we also discuss about the Oxygen production of Jingjing. And because you didn't realize that the Oxygen can go through the silicone. And did that change for the second week? Did you think more about the Oxygen?
00:06:00
Speaker 2: No, actually, no, I didn't mean it. I know it works too, like other plants work that way. But I also know one single, like one single plant could not contribute so much. But when they are a lot together, like what I have with so many plants together as a ecosystem, it can make a small difference.[JZ7]
00:06:21
Speaker 1: So think drinking is too little?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Think because. Yeah, because the. Yeah, it's too small so.
00:06:27
Speaker 1: But can't add to the plant system you have already. Exactly.
00:06:32
Speaker 2: I also think. Mhm. I don't know. I just didn't really care about if you didn't drink and can purify my air or not. For me, it's not really something. It's also when I raise my plants, when I decided to have plants in my home, I also didn't put that into consideration. I just think plants brings good energy. Let's a good vibe in the home. [JZ8]Yeah, yeah. Think it does the same. It's not mentally. I know it's another creature. It's a it's something in the ecosystem that. I don't know. Yeah. I didn't think you're doing as functional as it is. Didn't care.
00:07:07
Speaker 1: So much. I think in this way, it's changing. Or your plans. If they don't give Oxygen. If they just do not give anything, they also do not absorb CO2. Would you still like to take care of them? Are you still. Of course.
00:07:19
Speaker 2: Of course. Think like I think every creatures in the world. Should mean have their place, even though maybe they don't. Maybe even though they don't verify the hair. Like some bacteria also produce methane or CO2. It still deserves a place in the world.
00:07:36
Speaker 1: But will you be more motivated to look after those?
00:07:40
Speaker 2: Yeah. Think. Yeah. Think. I will be more motivated to. Yeah, to take care of plants or bacteria that can absorb CO2 and and produce oxygen.
00:07:53
Speaker 1: So is it like a more general motivation instead of a motivation for care? Because you said that you didn't really think about the Oxygen when you take care of them, but you're actually more motivated to look after them than other bacteria or plants.
00:08:09
Speaker 2: And how do you address it? Actually. Yeah. It's such a dilemma because it's like a philosophical dilemma. Like in deep, deep ecology. It claims all the beings has right to flourish only when it's against the vital needs of humans. For instance, we could claim we cannot eat dog because we don't necessarily eat meat, the meat of the dog to survive. But we can't have Covid because Covid can kill us. In the previous Covid. Yea. So. I don't think the climate change really to do with those bacteria that that produce methane. Well think sometimes, for example, they do they they they produce a lot of methane when in the farmland of rice. Those bacteria, they really. Yeah, they contribute a lot to climate crisis. So think the way is humans need to find a way, maybe raise rice differently or eat less rice. But that wouldn't stop me to allow those bacteria live in my environment if they just not that huge amount like a whole rice farm in the world. So it's more like that how I think. Yeah. So I just don't think that's such a small amount of bacteria. No matter what it does, it wouldn't harm our benefit so much.
00:09:38
Speaker 1: But then what do you get from it? Because with plants, you said you get good vibe.
00:09:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that same from genuine good vibe.
00:09:46
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:09:47
Speaker 2: Like think the energy from living beings. Like when you realize there's something when a cat or a dog comes in, you feel different mood. Like cat calms you down, but the dog makes you a bit playful or think plants and Eugene does the same if you once you realize they are also living beings. Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:04
Speaker 1: And it does. It does strangely have the same vibe as plants.
00:10:09
Speaker 2: A bit different because. As. Consciously or no, bacteria are so tiny and. Another way. It formed like it is now, like an artifact in design object. You'll be very surprised. Excited? I feel excited that you can get in touch with bacteria. And also you realize how smart it is. Then you feel empathy. [JZ9]Not not empathy. Not really the word. And. I think it's quite different. I think we even need a new word for it because now we have a lot of word to describe the feeling we have with plant. But with bacteria, we might need to find a new way of describing the emotional connection we have with it. Yeah, I will say in general, it's quite calm. It's really. Yeah. And also exciting. A little exciting.
00:11:05
Speaker 1: Mm You mentioned that when the bacteria are in the Artefact, it's a design object. It also makes a difference, right? If I give you a bottle of bacteria and comparing to this object. And what will be the difference in your perception?
00:11:24
Speaker 2: If seeing butthole bacteria don't think it be treated that seriously. Yeah, it's just like temporary experiment or something. I also wouldn't want to put place it in my home because I wouldn't like the aesthetic of it's like a water full of algae, you know? [JZ10]Full of algae. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. So I think the clean is actually quite different. It makes different layers of the object. The.
00:12:01
Speaker 1: What else?
00:12:04
Speaker 2: No, I'm just thinking my answer is quite anthropocentric. Think. But at least try to have a certain balance between anthropocentric and earth centric centered. That is so difficult to do it.
00:12:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm interested.
00:12:24
Speaker 2: Okay. I think I should also address from my perspective because I'm also a maker. I think myself as a craftsman, like I really believe in the object we make. We make carefully that we did put, let's say, spirit or energy in it. Then you do feel it. You do feel that the stuff is nice made like this piece, the the one you gave me but about of about of algae that obviously it's not treated as seriously. So I also don't feel. Yeah.
00:12:55
Speaker 1: It so the Artefact that's designed with some intentions and also you see the effort that the designers put in the object would also make a difference. Maybe it will make you appreciate it more or take it more seriously. Yeah. Interesting. And yeah, you said last time you said you were afraid that changing will fall from the wall. Did it happen?
00:13:22
Speaker 2: No, it did not happen.
00:13:23
Speaker 1: So you can stay there for the whole week.
00:13:25
Speaker 2: I think I will just put it in. Yeah. It was there on the wall for the whole week, so I'll just let it stick. Nice.

[JZ1]Make time for it while itÕs convenient
[JZ2]Once the artefact is doing well, people tend to keep the location unchanged
[JZ3]People also have the imagination of the artefact adapting to the home environment - such as Ògetting used toÓ, Òsettling downÓ.
[JZ4]ÒLooking atÓ as a chilled interaction - makes people feel nice about the artefact.
[JZ5]ÒJust let it beÓ
[JZ6]Visibility - Proximity also contribute to the perception of care performance
[JZ7]Thinking of the function as in a bigger ecosystem - just like plants, which is understandable
[JZ8]Good energy and vibe
[JZ9]The artefact has the vibe of a plant, but also different - because it is a design object, which make you feel the bacteria and empathise with them and build emotional connection with it
[JZ10]Compared to a bottle of bacteria, a designed artefact makes me take them seriously! The object we make creates a different energy.


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