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Speaker 1: Great. How? How was the first week with Nikki?
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Speaker 2: Um, yeah, it was quite all right. Um, the good thing was that I put her in front of the kitchen window so I could always see it, and that really helped me to be in connection that it's visible.[JZ1] Um, but I was also away a lot during the day. Yeah. So, I don't know. I didn't manage to see any changes if there were any changes in the colours during the day.[JZ2]
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Speaker 1: I see. Mm.
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Speaker 2: Um, and. I just put her in a different location this morning. Upstairs where there is in general a little bit more light. But I don't really see a lot of changes in the color. And if they're there, I think they're very subtle. So it's she was almost in the brightest space in my living room, so I don't really know how to interact with her yet.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, so you just put her there this morning, right? Yeah. Do you think the, the brightness there is is quite okay or it's still, like, under. And let's say under average.
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Speaker 2: Well, I can show you. Maybe you can see it. Yeah, because we will just walk. Go inside. Let me change the camera. Yeah. So this is the front door, and then this is the house. So there is one window here. This is the kitchen window?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Uh, and this is also where the sun rises on that side. But then it's kind of like the Northeast. Yeah, Actually, this is the east. East is over there. So then the sun goes that way and then it's quite quickly it goes to the other side. So this is a bit of a kind of a dark.
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Speaker 1: Face.
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Speaker 2: Oh, she's there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably. She'll come inside. Um, and then this is the other side of the room, so there's, like, only a window over here and a window over here.
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Speaker 2: Mhm.
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Speaker 1: And then this is in general, always very dark, but then this is the brightest spot in the living room and put her here on the window. So that's about as good as it gets. And when I look at my plants, at least the ones that they are here, they are kind of doing okay. Yeah, that's like a good call. And these plants in general are also doing okay. Yeah. Um, so now I put her upstairs. To see. So here we go. Here.
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Speaker 2: And then. It's.
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Speaker 1: It's like this. Oh, so you see my living room. And now put her over here, which is, I think about the brightest spot in the place. In general, I think that the plants are doing a bit better over here than they are doing downstairs.
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Speaker 2: Can you show me maybe the front side of the then Nikki? Yeah, I see you. Do you see now it's. I mean, from my perspective, it's kind of white ish.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's more whitish, and the bottom is a bit orangy. Kind of.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it's.
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Speaker 1: So it may have, it may have, um, sort of faded or, um, going to die if I put it.
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Speaker 2: I really?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Because usually it's going to be at least a little bit of a grain ish. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but, but it's not that. It's completely that I. There's still some chance that it could recover. Yeah. So maybe just keep it here for. For a while and see how it goes. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I can also put it outside. I don't know if that would be better.
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Speaker 1: So outside. No, no, direct sunlight is okay.
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Speaker 2: Okay, because that's a bit of the thing that the I don't know. Does it kill it when it's in direct sunlight?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. If if you kept it in direct sunlight, then it's very likely the sunlight would damage the cells.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Um, because I think maybe then that is the problem. Because when the sun rises, it's like, directly on the window.
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Speaker 1: I see.
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Speaker 2: Or just in the morning, just to, um. What is it? Probably until, uh, 9 or 10 or something in the morning, and then it goes over the house.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it could be. It could be. Yeah. I'm not very sure about the the exact reason, but, um, it could be either direct sunlight or it could be that it didn't get enough light, so it didn't sort of get carbon source. Yeah. Um.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because now it.
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Speaker 1: Seems really wide.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you know.
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Speaker 1: The white this morning?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
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Speaker 1: Well it's now it's really wide. I think it was getting a bit lighter over the days, but I also thought that it might actually be greener.
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Speaker 2: Mhm. Yeah. Yeah it could be actually the colour.
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Speaker 1: So because it's like a bit of like an opaque.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Ish kind of colour. So I thought oh maybe it's doing better. And then I decided to leave it there for a while to see if the change would become more.
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Speaker 2: Uh, but.
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Speaker 1: Then this morning, I moved it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I would keep it really in a in a bright place, but without direct sunlight for sure. And then see if it recovers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
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Speaker 1: That's a bit of a tricky thing because either it's kind of in the sun here or it's pretty dark.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Is there a place at your home that's, like, bright? But.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe.
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Speaker 2: Also, you can also use the black part in the Artefact to sort of vote and hide the. Living cells.
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Speaker 1: So I.
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Speaker 2: Let me put it where.
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Speaker 1: You can.
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Speaker 2: See it.
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Speaker 1: Uh, maybe like this. Oh. Where is the other things? Oh, yeah. See, Maybe I could do it like.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, looks nice. Yeah. So you fold it and hang it there. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Oh, where can you see it.
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Speaker 2: No more towards your right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Ah. I think it could be the.
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Speaker 1: Shadow side like.
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Speaker 2: This. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But then it will probably be really dark.
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Speaker 1: Um.
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Speaker 2: I could also try and I think maybe that's better that it's at least I will. I can try to put it on my window downstairs, but then the side window.
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Speaker 1: Oh, okay. So it doesn't get any direct sunlight.
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Speaker 2: No, at.
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Speaker 1: Least very little, if any, at all.
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Speaker 2: So I can maybe put it like this. Uh. You know, she.
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Speaker 1: Mm. Oh, you think that would still be too much?
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Speaker 2: Uh, no. I think as long as there is no, you know, like, those burning sunlight's shining on it, it should be okay. Yeah. Because this is this side is really facing north, right?
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: So the sun comes up here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And then I think around 9 or 10, it's probably so high that it doesn't really reach the window anymore. And then it just goes like, over here. This is.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: So this side is in the always kind of bright because it's at the window, but there's never any sunlight coming through here. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds good. Okay, let's. Let's keep it there for. For sometimes for some days because it's not that quick and it's not like it will become green again tomorrow. So. Yeah. And need some time to observe.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Okay, great.
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Speaker 2: There's some bubbles here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I see it.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if they were there before. I think not. Yeah, maybe there's a tiny hole in it.
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Speaker 1: Um, so the material is breathable, so the gas should be able to go through. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Okay. So I will pay attention to it at least.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Shall we continue with the interview? Because there are a few questions that are, um. Yeah, we still need to go through. Yeah. So how much time did you spend to look after the Artefact? Every day?
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Speaker 1: Um. Well, not really a lot. I just watched it when I was doing my dishes. So maybe. So does it also count as looking after?[JZ3]
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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
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Speaker 1: Uh, maybe three minutes.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah. And did it change your routine in any ways? Oh.
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Speaker 1: No. Well.
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Speaker 2: In general, I'm trying to look a bit better after my plants. It's like a general thing that's happening because I'm not so good at doing that. But I try to take care a bit better of all living things in my environment. Such as the cow also.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So you're trying to also improve your care generally in general towards plants and also these animals? Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Okay. And that was the thing that was already happening. So she's now involved in my caring routine, but I just don't know how to do it yet.
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Speaker 1: Okay. That's normal.
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Speaker 2: But the good thing is that at least every day I see her and I check on it. Yeah. And then so it's not an I didn't forget about it. And it's not an unwillingness, just.
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Speaker 1: Unknowingness.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I understand. So did you feel you feel also motivated in looking after it?
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Speaker 1: Um.
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Speaker 2: Yes. It would be nice if you could stay alive.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Did you have any other feelings towards her in the first week?
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Speaker 1: Um, no, not so much. No.
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Speaker 2: So when you said it didn't. She didn't really change, Um. You didn't really notice a big change. Uh, how did you feel about it?
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Speaker 1: Um.
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Speaker 2: Look.
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Speaker 1: I was a bit. I'm a bit puzzled by it. Because I check for it to see, like a sign of communication.
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Speaker 2: Um.
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Speaker 1: But didn't see it. So every day I was checking, I thought, Oh, it's something changing. No, something's not really changing. Oh, so it's a. Ways of trying to figure out.
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Speaker 2: How.
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Speaker 1: She communicates.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: If she communicates at all.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So now it's still in the confusing or puzzled. Stage.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like trying to figure it out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's take more time and see if she gives more signals.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Or if she's already dead.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would.
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Speaker 1: Be quite sad. Yeah, but I thought I. I never really thought about that. The reason could be that it's not changing is that she's not receiving enough light. I thought that it would be more the could be more of a problem, that it was too little light.
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Speaker 2: Mhm. I didn't.
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Speaker 1: Think about moving her to a location with less lights.
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Speaker 2: And. Oh you.
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Speaker 1: Didn't think of the direct sunlight.
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Speaker 2: Thing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Oh I see. Because I stated on the instruction cards and also the care label, there is one item. Uh, avoid direct sunlight. Did you. Did you see it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I read it, but I thought because it's only really in the mornings.
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Speaker 1: Mhm.
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Speaker 2: And I think.
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Speaker 1: Uh, I.
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Speaker 2: Thought that in general, it would be like, the best place to put it during the day, because there is. It's the brightest.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. And the sunlight in the morning. Is it because it's just a short time and it doesn't really. Burn or.
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Speaker 2: Cause. Yeah, it's.
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Speaker 1: Just in the it's really just in the morning. So then I thought, oh, probably it's okay because it's at sunrise. Yeah. And then it quickly leaves. And it's also that I'm not there during the day, so I haven't been there during the day, so I don't have the possibility to move it around the house when I'm not there because I leave the house. Well, for many days, like around seven.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: And then I just come back in the evening. So I just come back now around seven. And otherwise, if I don't put her there, she will probably be in the dark for the whole day.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So I figured it's like the best alternative.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's.
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Speaker 1: Indeed quite difficult because in the first few days probably it changed. But since the timing that you come home is quite. Maybe you missed the color change during the day.
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Speaker 2: Um. Yes.
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Speaker 1: Would that be true? Let me see. When did you give me? No, because I was here, actually, during the weekend.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I didn't see a change a lot in color yet. So then at first I put it vertical, and then I thought, Oh, maybe it's not good because the more bacteria are sinking to the bottom. So I put it horizontal. Yeah. And then I thought, let's wait for the two to see like a change in response, but could notice very little of a color change. So I thought maybe it needs some more time. And I wanted to get like a feedback before I moved it somewhere else.[JZ4]
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But then did you ever notice a slight change in the green color? Did the green get more green over the days or.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: Fades?
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Speaker 2: No, I never got more green.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's. It could be really complicated. So I cannot really diagnose or I cannot really tell you what went wrong or something like. Yeah, the only thing is just to try and see if it recovers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but is the changing color like, really obvious?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It should be really obvious. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. But then didn't really didn't see a lot.
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Speaker 2: Okay so, so either you now you have two options right? Either you try to move it to a brighter place without direct sunlight or you move it to um, you keep it there in the, in the north window. So there is no direct sunlight, but probably the light is also not very bright there.
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Speaker 1: So maybe no, but I think it's the best place. Like the safest spot for you. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Do you think it's bright enough there?
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Speaker 2: Um.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know. Okay. Because I haven't really been able to get any feedback.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: So.
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Speaker 2: So maybe then put it there for some days and see. And if it doesn't work, then move it to upstairs. Yeah. Which is even brighter.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, probably really at the window. It's brighter, but the rest of the space, I'm not sure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but.
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Speaker 1: Then I think. Well, otherwise it would also be a good conclusion that it's not really suited for my house because it's the same thing with actually with the plants that there are just a few spaces in the house that are okay for the plants, but in some places it's just too dark.[JZ5]
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Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, but that's been something that you can't really change.
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Speaker 1: No, but that's I mean, that's also a, I think, an insight.
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Speaker 2: You could also move to other places. I mean, not your house, though. If you if you want.
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Speaker 1: Take it with me. Yeah. Uh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'll do that. I can also put it on outside of my backpack. Yeah, it depends also a bit on what is the the. I think it depends on what the scope is also of the intention to work with it. Is it like keeping a pet? Because like, with this little cow.
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Speaker 1: Oh.
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to keep her alive. Yeah. So that's why I move her in a place that is best for her. Yeah. And in general, I leave her at home here. But if I had to. If there were nobody here. And I. Had to feed her and I had to leave. Then I would take her with me. Even though I know that it's not the best place for her to be. Yeah. So if I look at it that way and I would know that she, Nikki, should be in a brighter place, then I would probably move her somewhere else. But if I would look at her as an air purifier for my house, then I would. Or like an oxygen provider for my house. Then I would just leave her there and see, Oh, if she dies, then it's a product that's not suited for my house.[JZ6]
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's a good one.
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Speaker 1: I like the change in. Yeah, it's the change in intention. It's like, are you trying to care for a living being or do you have like a commodity product?
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Speaker 2: Mhm.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. That's interesting question. What do you think. What do you see it. How do you see it?
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Speaker 2: Um. Yeah, it's.
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Speaker 1: Oh, it's like this. This doll that you need to take care of in kindergarten. There's like this bear that passes through the class and then you get to take it home and you have to care for it for a week. Um, the way that I. Was actually more looking at it is as. More like a maybe. It's more like a plant that is inside my house. Um, but the idea of my plants is that I keep them in my house.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't really move it around with me.[JZ7]
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Speaker 2: Mhm.
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Speaker 1: Um, but like, with my plans, some of them are not really doing well here and I realize that. And then I think it's best to give them to someone else that has a better place for them.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I see.
00:22:01
Speaker 1: To adopt it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Because I don't.
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Speaker 2: Really see myself moving me around with this part of a station.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. They patient.
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Speaker 2: Peace. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I see you. You are more like accepting the fact that your house might not be suitable for many living things like plants or pets. And.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the.
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Speaker 2: Way out is that you just give up, um, having them in your house. But you wouldn't, um, let's say, be very actionable in, in just to take care of them. Just to make them alive.
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Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't carry them around with me.[JZ8]
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Speaker 2: I see. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Also with my plans, like, because I have, like, an outside space that is actually really nice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So then I tried just to keep the plants outside. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But always around your house.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And plants are more stations beings. So I think that.
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Speaker 2: There was.
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Speaker 1: But also with the plants because I grow them here. But then there's also chickens and they eat them and then I think yeah, well they are here so some of them will survive and some of them are not going to survive. So it's a bit of it's like a harsh place, you know, if it's, if it's kind of if you can make it in this environment, then you're allowed to stay. And if not, then you're allowed to die.
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Speaker 2: So you have this Darwin Darwinism.
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Speaker 1: Yes, kind of.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But then would probably now if I know that. But I'm trying to figure out like what is a good space for her in my house. But if I if I figure out that it's not a good space for her here, then I would probably prefer that someone else adopt her.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can. I can imagine from. From your attitude. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like you. You are more of a kind of. Natural. How do I say that natural person or just more follow how it is? Something like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because also it's I think I also do it in this way because it's a way that I can manage it, but I don't really have the space or the time to care for an extra. Yeah. Uh Artefact. Or living being that I need to carry around because I already have that cow that is already quite an investment.[JZ9]
00:24:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: But. But I care for it because I love it. So that's also, uh, that I interact with it and I really love it because I was at her birth. So then it's okay for me. So then I will move everything around for her. Yeah, but I don't really have establish that connection yet with the. Yeah. Bacteria.[JZ10]
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Really good reflections from you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So the connection with the I can imagine, for instance, the connection with the cow is really strong because you witnessed her birth and.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah.
00:25:34
Speaker 1: You kind of have, um, very, very much interaction with her every day. And seeing her growing up is just maybe nice.
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Speaker 2: Uh huh.
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Speaker 1: The Artefact is is someone just give you and there are there are microorganisms as well, so you don't get to really interact with them a lot. Yeah.
00:26:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the thing also that I don't really understand them because they are not I didn't read their feedback yet. So then it's also a bit hard for me and I think I have the same thing with plants, which is why I'm not so good at plants. I don't really see the way that they respond. Yeah, what's really funny is that, um, I also received, like, a gift from a friend a while ago. That is this cube.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 2: And it was just a pink cube when I got it.
00:26:36
Speaker 1: Oh.
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Speaker 2: And then I need to water it, and then things will slowly start to grow out of it, but also in different colors.
00:26:43
Speaker 1: Nice.
00:26:44
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you really see it?
00:26:47
Speaker 1: The. The little, um. Uh, the shooting out of the.
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Speaker 2: The new. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Off the plants. And so it's not just the plants because also the object is kind of changing in color.
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Speaker 2: And how.
00:27:01
Speaker 1: It's dry. So I know that I need to water it again.
00:27:05
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:27:06
Speaker 1: I think I need to keep it wet. I see it because then when it's dry also it's a certain point the plants start to go down a bit. So then I know that I need to water it, but that's usually my way of communicating that I see something is either going well or or at least it's not going well. And then I know I need to take action.
00:27:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:27:32
Speaker 1: But I think it's a bit, um.
00:27:34
Speaker 2: It's. It's also a little bit entangled, isn't it? Your actions and its responses. So if your action is enough, then it gets response and you get more motivated and you do more things and then. Yeah, exactly.
00:27:47
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:27:47
Speaker 2: Yeah. That seems like an interaction, Like a way of communicating or communicating. Yeah. Then it becomes easier to take care of it if you can see. Yeah. If it's happy or not.
00:28:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really hope Nikki gets more responses for you.[JZ11]
00:28:06
Speaker 2: Yes, I hope so too.
00:28:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, but maybe this was a good decision. We will see. Yeah, it should be like in a few days. Starting to show some.
00:28:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. I would wait 1 or 2 days.
00:28:19
Speaker 1: Okay.
00:28:19
Speaker 2: Again, I'm just giving some suggestions, but you. You can do whatever you you want. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe just wait 1 or 2 days and then see if anything changed. Yeah, but you have to see it clear. Clear. Carefully, because it's. It's microbe. So it's very, very little. So even a little chain could be a positive sign or negative sign.
00:28:46
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:28:46
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:28:48
Speaker 1: All right.
00:28:48
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:28:51
Speaker 1: I'll do my best.
00:28:52
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:28:53
Speaker 1: I trust that you will do that. Okay, great.
00:28:58
Speaker 2: Thanks. Any more questions?
00:28:59
Speaker 1: No. That's all I wanted to know. Yes.
00:29:02
Speaker 2: All right.
00:29:03
Speaker 1: We'll have another interview. I think we already.
00:29:08
Speaker 2: Put in next week.
00:29:09
Speaker 1: Wednesday. Yes.
00:29:10
Speaker 2: Yes. Okay.
00:29:11
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:29:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Okay. See you then.
00:29:15
Speaker 1: Yeah. See you.
00:29:16
Speaker 2: Bye Bye.

[JZ1]Visibility is important to people
[JZ2]Visual changes as indicator depends on visibility
[JZ3]Care is initiated while doing other everyday practices
[JZ4]Risk aversion
[JZ5]The overall conditions of the house would be essential for deciding how much performances people need to have - call for even more adaptive design
[JZ6]Separation of function and care would cause such dilemma - where it should be to function, and where it should be to be cared for
[JZ7]The artefact is associated with sth to be kept in the house - rather than to be moved around
[JZ8]ÒGiving it upÓ or ÒGiving it awayÓ could be also considered when care cannot be fulfilled by one carer
[JZ9]ItÕs a big investment to carry an artefact around just to care for it!
[JZ10]Connection or love for bacteria is really weak - if compared to a cow for instance. The nature of the microbe could decide on that
[JZ11]Communication will help to build connection between humans and microbes


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