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Speaker 1: You go ahead. So how was the second week with Oxy?
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Speaker 2: Um.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was more getting used to it[JZ1], I think. And, uh, of course, it was a shorter week and yeah, uh, less, less differences, I think. And then, uh, yeah, the first week. Yeah, we, we started with this with the worst date and then the, the mid state and the, the best state.[JZ2]
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Speaker 2: So when was it. Whereabouts was the second week in here. Um.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this was also in the first week, but yeah, perhaps I can look it back. The. Oh, my.
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Speaker 2: God.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is in proof. I see the bacteria in the cave. It is porous and the sheer of haven. Here. This is the Saturday, so, uh, yeah, just. Yeah. Then it's more the the mixtape, I think So that's, uh. And. Yeah. In the beginning, I made less photos. Yeah, I think. Yeah. And here it's the yellow and the green. Yeah. And that was, uh, Saturday 13. And then. Is that the Saturday of the 20th. Yeah. Here you see also the yellow part.
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Speaker 2: And the green. The green. How did it change?
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Speaker 1: Um, well, there was coming some green, um, at the bottom. And in the morning. I see. Um, so now I think for two days there was a gray, uh, in the bottom, and then it changed, uh, more purple. Okay. When, uh, there was more light. Oh, I see. I think.[JZ3]
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Speaker 2: And this green, does it become darker over time if you compare it to the first day? Yeah, perhaps a bit. Looks like it becomes really darker.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Here. It's, uh, lighter. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So if you do this, then probably, you see.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can compare it. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. It does become darker. Yes. Yes. And it means really gets grow more. Okay. More bacteria. Yeah. In this two weeks. Okay. So congratulations.
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Speaker 1: More Oxygen Oxygen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice. Okay. And, um, do you want to share anything specific for the second week?
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Speaker 1: Um, yeah, I thought this might be, uh, in the other direction, that it's easier to compare, but of course you have the loose cards as well. Then you can compare it easily. Yeah, because now it's, uh. Yeah. Yeah. It's like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um. Yeah. Um. What shall I say?
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Speaker 2: That's okay. We can discuss later. Um, so you noticed that, uh, the color doesn't change from here to here in the second week? No, but only, uh, in the morning. Here was more gray and then becomes more purple.[JZ4] Yeah. Later. Yeah. Okay. And is there anything else that you notice in here that's different?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, more fluid[JZ5], uh, like, I think and more, um, uh, Arabic bills, I think.
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Speaker 2: I see.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. But when you keep it like this, it's also more grayish than, uh, lying it down.
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Speaker 2: You mean the purple or.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, More purple. Yes. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Oh, here is less purple. And when you lie down[JZ6].
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Speaker 1: I don't know why that is, but.
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Speaker 2: And why do you think you don't know why?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because, uh, this is also, of course, white. And now you look through it. So that's different. And here is a little bit. Oh, that's different. I think that's nothing. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And why do you think the. The grain. Come here.
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Speaker 1: Look. Yeah, I saw it first. It comes at the side and, uh, just doing like this, but because when you, you turn it or you. Yeah. Then the fluid is going, uh, through the whole area, but it's not really, uh, yeah. Dripping to the, to the bottom. So it's very slowly perhaps that it's, uh, coming here. Okay. I don't know.[JZ7]
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And how do you feel about this in the for the second week?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, I think the first week there is more happening, so that's all[JZ8]. Of course. Nice that you see something. Um, more clearly. But now, um. Yeah. And in the first week, I also had some things. What, what should I do with it and what's the. What is it all about? You have to find out that. Yeah. And the second week it was a little bit more clear. [JZ9]I see. I think.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was more clear for you to know what to do when you see something. Yeah. Yeah. Can you give an example.
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Speaker 1: Now for instance, uh, the I didn't make that much photos in the first week and you said, Yeah, it, it's, um, you have to, when you change the position, make a photo, because, uh, then you have, uh, yeah, some point that you, you can see here, uh, if it changes. So that was, uh, one thing I think, um, yeah. And yeah, it's more inhabit when you have it at home for more than a week. You, uh. Yeah. You think when you get up. Oh, where is it? And put it somewhere and yeah. The first week I forgot that sometimes.[JZ10] [JZ11]Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And could you, um, in the second week, could you know better, um, whether the bacteria are doing well or not. Because in the s in the first week, you said it is a bit of a mystery. Yeah, you told me. How about the second week? Is it more clear to you how the bacteria are doing?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's it's better doing better because of the green. So and and it's more green and it doesn't disappear in the night or something. [JZ12]It stays there. So I think it's better doing the bacteria, but I'm not sure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah but is the color change also more more clear to you? Is the change, for instance, from you said from gray to purple? Was it more informative to you?
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Speaker 1: Yes. And also, uh, I expected it more. So I thought, oh yes, that was just yesterday. It was the same when I got up. It was gray and then later on it became purple and then it does it again. But the changes are less clear than the first week that there's more difference in color.[JZ13]
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Speaker 2: And when you saw the purple, did you immediately think, Oh, it is doing well now?
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Speaker 1: Um, yes, because when you see the gray, it's looked a little bit like it's that has its uh, no color at all. I see. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the purple was a kind of good indicator for you. Yeah, great. Great to know. Um, yeah, you already mentioned that for the second week, you didn't forget about Oxy that much as the first week. And why is that?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm more used to have, uh, Oxy with me. And, uh, yeah, I'm more, uh, incorporated the idea, perhaps, or. Yeah. And the habits from hanging it somewhere and seeing, Oh, the sun is coming, so I have to move it and, uh, like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.[JZ14]
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Speaker 2: Nice to hear. And why do you move it to different locations?
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Speaker 1: Um, when or.
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Speaker 2: Why? Why? So every time you move it, what was, what was your thoughts? Why did you move them?
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Speaker 1: Um, well, sometimes because of the sun was coming there turning and the sun became too much. Uh, and the other reason was that, uh, I wanted to have a better color.[JZ15] So then I was looking for, uh, what what is happening when I put it somewhere else.
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Speaker 2: So mainly because you want to see the color change. Did you ever think about the Oxygen that it can produce?
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Speaker 1: Not that much, no. No, I think because I don't need so much more oxygen because I don't feel a less of oxygen. I see. Here. Yeah. When you have that, it's different, of course.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And last week you mentioned, uh, sometimes in the evening you move it to the fireplace, maybe. Yes. Yes. Did you do that again?
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Speaker 1: The. The fire wasn't on. Uh, again. I see. Yeah, but that was really, uh, one point. But, yeah, I didn't notice. Notice that it was helping that much.
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Speaker 2: So you didn't also do that anymore? For instance, when you read or anything, you didn't carry it with you. I see. Yeah. Yeah. So that was a bit demotivating in the beginning when you didn't notice the oxygen.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah.[JZ16]
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Speaker 2: Interesting.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Um.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Last time you mentioned you tried different locations, right? You hang it on the chair, you hang it on the door outside. Yeah, I saw you also stick it here in the heater. Yeah. What else did you try in the second week? Was there anything new? Um.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I tried the kitchen, but you saw that already, I think. And on the orange chair, I think, um. And on the chair over there. Uh, yeah, that. That were the places I think. And sometimes I, uh. Yeah, I did it like this. So bend it. Yeah, yeah. Because then the light comes, Uh, more through it, I think.[JZ17]
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Speaker 2: May I take a photo of this? Yeah, of.
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Speaker 1: Course. First day in.
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Speaker 2: So to see the lights coming through here. Great. Right?
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Speaker 1: Uh, yes.
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Speaker 2: Great. Um, how did Oxy respond when you do different things? Did it respond differently?
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Speaker 1: Um.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to say because when in the morning I had it in the night already here, hanging. So like this. And then it was grey and then, yeah, I didn't move the position. So then later on it became purple, but not because of my of another position. I see. And um, I think also when I saw it it's a little bit greyish. I, yeah. Was looking for a better place and that was then over there once and over there.[JZ18]
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Speaker 1: Yes. Depending on the light's location. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: So you're more aware of the light coming in. Yeah. And where it is during the day. Yeah. Yeah.[JZ19]
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Speaker 1: Oh, stop it. Last time you also mentioned, although it was nice to see the change, but you also felt a bit guilty when you forgot about it, when you or when you didn't interact with it that often. Was the duty still there for the last or the second?
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Speaker 2: I still have a little bit of that feeling because yeah, then it's yeah, I don't have it very clear how how I can use it because I, I notice no more Oxygen. [JZ20]It's you told me that it is, but I can't, um, yeah. Smell it or feel it or like that. So that's a little bit. Yeah. Uncertain. Yeah. Um, yeah. So it's more the, the color that motivates than, uh. Yeah, the Oxygen I see.
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Speaker 1: And did you feel something else during the second week? Any any other feelings you had? Um. It's so hard. Let me.
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Speaker 2: Do this. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What about. What about you, Zacchaeus? Yeah. Thank you. Um, maybe, um. The other feelings. Yeah. I already told you that I was more used to it, and it cost less, um, effort to, uh, uh, to care for it[JZ21]. Then in the first week. Then you really have. Yeah, I sometimes it was already at noon and I thought, oh, yes, I have to do something. Uh, but that was now, uh, better. So, um, yeah, it's. It's more easy than in the second week. It's a little bit, uh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. And we also discussed your motivation last time. Did you feel more motivated or less motivated in the second week to take care of it?
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Speaker 2: Makes.
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Speaker 1: No, I don't think there is so much difference between the first and the second week for the most motivation.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Um, final questions. So overall, if you give yourself a score, how much of a good carer do you think you are to Oxygen? Sorry to Oxy over the two weeks. Um, I give you some options. Excellent carer, sufficient carer, average carer or a bad carer?
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Speaker 1: Okay. Uh, I think an average.
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Speaker 2: Average. Why is that?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, of course, because I didn't see someone else handling it, but, um. Yeah, yeah, it's just a little bit, um, finding out how how to care for it. So that's, uh. Yeah, of course. In the beginning. Then you forget that sometimes, and then. Yeah, it's not so clear what what it does or. I see. [JZ22]Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And what do you think would help you to improve your care? To Oxy.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Um, yeah. Perhaps more information on beforehand that, uh. Ya what what you could do, uh, to have. Yeah. Yeah. How it works. Yeah, You said it's the Oxygen head's coming out when the. When it has enough light and that's what I'm then looking for. Yeah, but yeah. That I already told you for, uh, before that it's not measurable. It's only the color. [JZ23]Uh, what, what, Which measure? Measure this. So, yeah, perhaps you have to get used to that. But yeah, with everything you are used to have a scale with a zero and one, two, three or below or. Yeah. Yeah. And I wonder if you have a whole space with air around you or how can you notice that it gives more Oxygen? Yeah, that's, uh, a little bit the point, perhaps. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So can I understand, like, a reward system? So if you know what you do to it, you get reward from what you do. It will help you to do more because you want to get more reward.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Or is it something else?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if I react differently from what you expected. That's, uh.
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Speaker 2: Uh, no, I didn't expect anything. I'm just trying to understand. What do you mean that? Oh, yeah. Do you just want to see the information or. You want to see the information? So. So that you know what you do is. Is giving you something back?
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, perhaps. Yeah, But that's of course difficult because how do. How do you have to measure it? How if the Oxygen or. Yeah. So yeah. And you have to put it in a box or, and have a, a meter there or something. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So imagine, imagine we have a way to measure it. Yeah. And when you put it on the chair it says 50 and when you put it in the kitchen it says 80. Yeah. Yeah. Does that change your behavior then. Will that change what you do to it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. Because you want a higher score. Yeah, perhaps. But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, You perhaps. Yeah, well, I know that. That it's a good color. And so it's it's in the, like this in the best state. Yeah. Yeah. That has to be sufficient I think.[JZ24] Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But then you are still thinking about the number that's so interesting.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Because, uh, there is, uh. You can't see it except then the color.
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Speaker 2: You want to know more information to it? Yeah. So the color itself might not be the only way to show the Oxygen generation.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps I'm a little bit, uh, not believing that it's really giving Oxygen or something like that.[JZ25]
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Speaker 2: I understand. Yeah. And, uh, for instance, when you, um. So when you put it here, for instance, the color is gray, and then you think, Oh, I want to give it more light, and then you put it there and you see the gray becomes purple maybe in half a day. Yeah. How about this speed of change? How about so the gray doesn't become purple? Like in 1 in 1 minute, right? No, no, no. Yeah. What do you think about this? This change, uh, that it takes so long for you to see the change?
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Speaker 1: I think I was already used to that. So that it's not going very quickly. [JZ26]Only also not with the first and the mid state. That was also. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so, yeah, and that's also, um, you, you're not sitting and watching it how you are doing something else. And then now and then you have a look and you said, Oh wow, this is great. Well, and then you do something and then you walk away and then look again.
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Speaker 2: So it actually fits in your own time frame, actually. Yeah. So it's not about the the time that you change, but just the color and the the number. Yeah. Interesting. Thanks for this insight. Okay. It's really interesting. Yeah. And do you have anything else that you want to say? Because that was my last question.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Uh, yeah, I like the idea of the. The bacteria and, uh, and the colour that it gives. [JZ27]Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And do you now indeed realize, oh, from the first day and till now your care actually, um, make the bacteria really more green over time? Yes. Did you realize that? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I realized that. Yeah. But that took some time. So in the first week that was a little bit less clear than the second week I think. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Nice.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So it's a process.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Yeah. And if you want, I can leave it here for more weeks and yeah, I'm going to, I'm not going to take it away today, so maybe later I can revisit you. Okay. It won't be like a very formal interview, but just to see how it goes. Yeah, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Because I understand you're going away tomorrow for some holidays, right? Yeah. Yeah. And when are you coming back?
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Speaker 2: Um, on Monday.
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Speaker 1: On Monday? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So. So on Friday. You should be the two weeks complete already. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe on Tuesday or somewhere next week, I can come to pick it up.
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Speaker 2: Yes. It's okay. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Great.
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Speaker 2: So then take it with me, because otherwise I can't.[JZ28]
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can also take it with you if you want. Yeah. Oh, that's so nice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And if you want, can you just also take pictures?
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Speaker 1: Yes. For me? Yeah. Thank you. Okay, great.

[JZ1]Second week, I get used Oxy
[JZ2]Over time Oxy showed less dramatic change
[JZ3]Link between colour change and light is getting clear
[JZ4]Colour change differently in the second week, the colour references donŐt work
[JZ5]Other changes besides colour - fluid and bubbles
[JZ6]Colour also looks different when you hold Oxy differently
[JZ7]Focus more on physical changes, instead of biological 
[JZ8]Less things happen than first week
[JZ9]Time helps to know what to do
[JZ10]Becoming a habit to check it
[JZ11]Better link between changes
[JZ12]Can tell the bacteria are doing better, according to the colour
[JZ13]Better expectation/anticipation although changes are less
[JZ14]Getting used to it, with changing sunlight
[JZ15]I move Oxy around because I want to have a better colour
[JZ16]Not noticing the functional benefit is demotivating to carry around with people, but not demotivating for care itself
[JZ17]Bend it to create a better occasion for light to come through Oxy
[JZ18]Because the change is not immediate, itŐs hard to say which action made it work
[JZ19]Living with Oxy made me become more aware of light changes in the room
[JZ20]Cannot notice more oxygen - is an uncertain feeling
[JZ21]Less effort and easier in the second week
[JZ22]Average carer because there has been a Ňfiguring outÓ process in the beginning
[JZ23]No number on the functional output makes me feel uncertain and maybe confused
[JZ24]Still doubting about the colour - not used to it, wanting to see number
[JZ25]Doubtful about oxygen giving
[JZ26]Colour changing temporality is ok, people get used to it
[JZ27]Overall the artefact is liked because of the idea
[JZ28]Want to take it to travel :)


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