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Speaker 1: We can continue. Great. Um. Okay. How did the response Can you give an example? So the the difference of the Artefact from last week was that it actually changed according to the light. Yeah. And also got some damage. Yeah. Do you think it reacted to the humidity?
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Speaker 2: I didn't see a big change, although this was not on the whole time. Okay. Only it was on in the evenings and. Yeah, I didn't see any change there.
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Speaker 1: Great.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, it definitely shrank more. Yeah. Night flight. This was, like, Tiny gap. Now it's really big. Yeah. Well. It's dirty stuff.
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Speaker 1: It's on the inside, I feel.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's. Oh, yeah. What is it? And you growing. How did it get in?
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Speaker 1: So weird.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like yellow color.
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Speaker 1: But overall, how did you feel about the second week when it changed.
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Speaker 2: When you noticed the change? I think it felt nice that finally something's happening. It's not that that was the concern. Yeah. And I feel. Yeah, I can see it's being happy with the pink color, which is nice. Yeah. Also the green part got like, darker. And you also feel it's growing. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Did you have other feelings towards the Artefact responsibility? The same as the first week.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were joking. Me and my partner were like, Oh, if I can, like, damage this, like, we shouldn't have a kid anytime soon. Like a test to see how well you can take care of something, I think. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: What did he say about the Artefact?
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Speaker 2: He's scared. He's like, I don't want to touch it.
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Speaker 1: Oh, really?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just worried about damaging it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Does it look fragile to you?
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Speaker 2: Think so. Especially after its break. I'm like, okay, let's not move it too much. Maybe. Yeah, but it's. It's kind of. I don't know. You feel I feel more connected this week now, especially when you see the changes. I see.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because the last time you mentioned there was a bit disconnection.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Because whatever you do, it doesn't really give any response.
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Speaker 2: This one for sure it response and Yeah. Kind of look like a face now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like a mouth.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And how much time did you find yourself setting aside for the Artefact?
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Speaker 2: Every day. Like when I wake up in the morning, I would have look how it looked like. And then because I'm gone for the day. So then in the evening, when I come back, I would also have a look and see, Oh, now the light is not good, let's move it to the nice. Yeah, but I just spend a lot of time playing with it. I say because I was so worried of damaging it. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned that you also had it somewhere. Uh, can you show me where you hang it? Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So basically on the same.
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Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
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Speaker 2: Glass. At what this is here. Just put it.
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Speaker 1: Oh, nice. Can I take a photo of this? Yeah. Yeah. Lay on the desk. Nice. I see. Indeed. This place is quite bright. It looks very bright here. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So then you come face here and I thought if it's not touching the back, maybe it can breathe better. But then I also was hired here.
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Speaker 1: But. Oh, the machine.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. But then it's even closer. Yeah. And last time I forgot about it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You should have just folded it.
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Speaker 1: It looks very bright.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. But this yellow thing is new. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It could be Old South. I'm not sure. The dead cell? Yeah. Dead cells. Yeah. Okay. Let's go back, then. And in the second week, did it change your daily routine?
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Speaker 2: No, actually less because at the brewery I still move it from place to place a bit. But last week, because I loved it at home. So then it's now with me and then my partner. Don't dare to touch it at all. But then it was mostly hanging there until I get back home. Then I play with it a little.
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Speaker 1: Bit, so it's more like a morning and evening interaction.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Um, we also discussed about your motivation. Last time you said it's nice to see the to see the change. Yeah. Um, and it's not so much about Oxygen because the amount of Oxygen it generates is quite ignorable compared to, for instance, the CO2 in the brewery. Yeah. Did this change for the second week?
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Speaker 2: Uh, well, it's at home now. Yeah. So not at the brewery, but yeah, I think the more motivated like I move motivated by see the color change because it's more.
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Speaker 1: More obvious.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Something you can see and feel. But the Oxygen part, unless you have, I don't know, a Oxygen meter or something to check, but like you said, it's very minor.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. So you didn't really think about it while you were taking care of it? No. Interesting. Yeah. So besides the color change, is there anything else that motivates you? Um.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the color, I guess. Like the grain getting more grain. Yeah. And not to kill it.
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Speaker 1: So the life itself is also important?
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Speaker 2: I think so, yeah. Okay.
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Speaker 1: And is it You just don't want to kill anything?
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Speaker 2: That's the general idea. Yeah. You do feel it's something living like that? I do feel. It's like. Like a plant or something quite fragile. You need to really pay attention to it and. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Um, and in general, how much of a good carer do you think yourself are?
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Speaker 2: That's not very good. So I think I tend to do more stuff like move it around or like like in the evening, move it to the window. But I didn't um, like, I forget about it, but then I thought, yeah, to be sure I should have put the sunglasses down. Yeah. Then it's, like, safe. Okay. Um. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Are you a average carer or bad carer?
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Speaker 2: I would say average. Not like horrible, but yeah, a lot of accidents happen I think, with this one. Yeah. Um. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But after the accident, you kind of took action to save it, right? And it was kind of saved.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. After the sound bath, I took it back, But then I was, like, keeping an eye to see if it get worse or something. Yeah. Yeah. Um. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And what do you think would help you to improve your care to the Artefact?
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Speaker 2: Um, it's a good question. Better memory for myself. I have a better memory system. Memory? Yeah. Do not forget stuff. Um. No, I think it's more like now. We also learn from experience. And now I know, okay, this is bad. If I do that, I will probably forget about it. Then I think it's. I would choose something safe. So not a place that I will never be. Direct sunlight, but also have lights more like I was like a few spots. Maybe that's good for the girls.
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Speaker 1: I see.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Instead of changing it or move it to risky places. And I think from experience now I also know, okay, this amount of sunlight is not enough. And this is good. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's more like find a safe, good location for it. It's, it's important.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And you do need some time for it, right?
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Speaker 2: You try it out. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Would you say two weeks Is, is is it enough for you to find kind of sweet spot for it.
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Speaker 2: No, I feel like I wasted some time. The first week it was in the brewery. I was trying small changes in big environments, but that doesn't didn't show anything, so. Okay. And then only this week it starts growing and everything. Yeah. So then. But now it just for me, it's like, just figure it out. Yeah. Kind of get to know this culture, but to know how to grow it, what they like the best and all that. I think that need longer time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Because the last week you said you wanted also more information on the optimal condition. Like what's the temperature, what's the humidity, what's the light And do you think that's different for this week or you still want more information?
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Speaker 2: I think that would be more interesting for like, I don't know, more research wise. Like to know. I don't know. For me, like because in brewing we also do tests and then the most one of the most important thing is to record all the data. And yeah, for me like that just makes sense. But in the scientific side I guess like to know, okay, I put it here, I take a photo and the humidity, the temperature of the room and the light situation and then you can like really move it and then build up a database and Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But in like daily life, maybe that is not.
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Speaker 2: No, but it helps to find a nice spot, right?
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Speaker 1: It gives you some kind of feeling of the, of the spot. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Also make you think about your environment more so for example I know like there if I know okay it's this temperature or this humidity and then maybe at another corner upstairs in the house I find another spot that gives similar Yeah data. Then you kind of also get to know your apartment better. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting. Now you maybe also know your home and your brewery is very different. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Also too as an indicator, I don't know for growing other plants or something. It also tells you the level of light you have. Know that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And what else do you think this Artefact can improve to help you care for it more? Mhm.
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Speaker 2: You mean to how to.
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Speaker 1: Design the design of it? Yeah. Uh.
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Speaker 2: Good question. I don't know. Like, it gets dirty quite easily, to be honest. Um, but I think it's a really cool design. Like, I really like the color and the whole layout of this one piece thing. Yeah, I think it's quite, quite nice already. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Because for me, like the green part, how dark it is, I feel maybe that, yeah, if we have a comparison of the bikini because it, it really satisfying to see it getting darker then knees feel the cells are growing on top of each other.
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Speaker 1: Need to better indication of the green part. The color of the green part?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Like just to be able to compare how much has grown rather than just a feeling. Now I feel like it is getting darker, but I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1: Because the I give you some instruction. The color cards, right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The green there you think is not very accurate or not very indicative.
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Speaker 2: No. I think those going a bit darker.
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Speaker 1: Than the beginning.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I was just thinking. I get the possible to have a part that doesn't grow but stay alive. But yeah. Thinking too complicated.
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Speaker 1: Was it easy for you to carry the Artefact around? How did you carry it? No work.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. It's not very easy because I want to put it in my bag. But then I'm worried of stuff poking at or key or something, so I put it in a plastic bag. Okay. And then roll it up and then put it in a separate pocket in the bag. Okay. But it's a it's a bit hard to transport. Say. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Can you show me how did you fold it. Yeah. Yeah. But. Let incredibly fast.
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Speaker 2: I used to the back. That.



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