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Speaker 1: Here. Oh, it's not funny.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's, uh.
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Speaker 1: It's a thing on the ground. Whoa.
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Speaker 2: So. But you see, now it's like falling. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So can I touch it? Yeah, sure.
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Speaker 2: And this is the. The other part? Yeah. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So purple. Nice. Can I take a picture? Yeah, sure.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I've been taking pictures, and I have a full gallery thing. So purple. Yes. But then what is it? That it's. The bacteria was only here and so fell down or what? I don't know. Maybe. Is it because it's here in the wall and not in on something?
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Speaker 1: Now they are here as well. Yeah. Yeah. Could be. They I don't know they because like.
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Speaker 2: Gravity in the end.
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Speaker 1: Could be also there was some what. Not water but liquid. Yeah. So they kind of float to the bottom.
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Speaker 2: I'm not here so.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Gravity could play. Wow. I mean.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. The other people that has it, it's on a table or is it on a wall. Mhm.
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Speaker 1: Some are on the table, some are on the wall. So how was the second week.
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Speaker 2: Good. They just started to change. Yeah. Yes.
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Speaker 1: And for you. Did you do anything.
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Speaker 2: No, I just. Yeah. Check it with you because and yeah it was just doing this but um.
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Speaker 1: And everything else.
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Speaker 2: Um, yeah, just, you know, if the. I mean, this is not a color issue at all. Um. Just the movement.
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Speaker 1: So you just.
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Speaker 2: Kept it here for the whole week?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't touch it at all.
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Speaker 2: But did it, um. Because you send me pictures, uh, some days after others? Yeah. And, um, I think you noticed the. The purple is getting more. Yeah. Also. And also, there are more green here. Yeah. What? Why do you think this happens? I mean, the purple is getting more.
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Speaker 1: Because it's in a good state. It's good for for it.
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Speaker 2: So just like here. So it likes here? Yeah. Yeah, it looks really good.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't seen a happy Cyanobacteria in my life, so I don't know what's, uh, the color or what's how it looks like when it's.
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Speaker 2: But, I mean, yeah, but.
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Speaker 1: Check in there. Yeah, I think. And I think that it's more purplish than yellow, so. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Is there anything specific you want to share?
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Speaker 1: No, we was just this like how everything started coming and. Back when there was not so much light, like at night. It's not so popular. But we already talk about it. It's more neutral. Yeah. Yeah. But then during the day.
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Speaker 2: So for the second week it was also like that. So in the evening the purpose was obvious. Yeah. Was it more like pink color than something like this? I don't know. Let me see. Think I take photos when it's purple? Yeah. That's okay. Yeah. Okay, so you placed it here. You didn't do anything else, and it's doing well. Um. Okay. All the questions answered. And how did you feel when you noticed it's getting more purple and it's doing well? I thought. Um. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Curiosity. Uh, yeah. Curious.
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Speaker 2: I think. Curious? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, when I saw it, I. I started doing this checking. Okay, This is like a liquid bag or something, and.
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Speaker 2: Greece. And what's your general feeling about the Artefact? Um.
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Speaker 1: There is something here we call organism. Um. And I can see. Eat, but. I don't have much knowledge about it, so I. That's why I'm asking you. Yeah. When I see any change, I see what's going on. Yeah, but, um.
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Speaker 2: So you're very curious about it. I mean, you. You are aware of its existence, but you feel like you don't know too much about it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of mysterious to you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay.
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Speaker 2: So if if you are allowed and you'd like to maybe. No, no more. What's happening inside? For instance, why the ring is here? What? Why the ring is here? Something like that. You'd like to know about all these questions? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Me, too. I mean, I don't know everything about it either. Yeah, great. And also, how much time did you spend in looking after it for the second week? Um.
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Speaker 1: Not much.
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Speaker 2: Just taking some pictures.
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Speaker 1: For example, each week. Um.
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Speaker 2: I guess it is.
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Speaker 1: It three.
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Speaker 2: Minutes in total? I don't know. But yeah, maybe cause I can see it and I'm here quite a lot, so, um. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And I guess it was also because you saw it. Yeah, It's okay.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it had been 1 or 2 days without taking a special look at it. Just seeing that. Okay, it's purple, but without checking these new things. But I think that I realized when it was just happening, so yeah.
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Speaker 1: So it's doing its own business and you didn't really need to take a close look.[JZ1] No. Great. Um. And this should be also connected to your motivation as well. So did you feel more or less motivated than in looking, in taking care of it? Um.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 1: As it's something. Then I. I mean, I still don't know what I mean. Okay. Yeah. It's, uh, seems to be in a good state, but I don't know what, uh, what means that there is more, um, like, bacteria growing. I don't know what that what that means at all. So, uh. Yeah. I don't know if it motivates me or not. It's that I see something that's happening.
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Speaker 2: That's unexpected.
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Speaker 1: But I don't know what it is, and I don't have a clue. So the only thing I know is that it's fine, because.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Only the color. Yeah. Gives a clue, but not other things. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, is it dangerous then, like this? No. Okay, so that was a special, uh, maybe you my concern, like, okay, this is. Is this, uh, uh, dangerous or. Yeah. Um, like, what does it mean? Yeah.[JZ2]
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Speaker 2: I understand. So you a little bit afraid or confused?
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Speaker 1: Confused? Yeah. Confused. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Great. Um. And how much of a good carer do you think you are over the two weeks? Um. You can be either excellent carer or sufficient carer efficient sufficient. Why not? I mean excellent.
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Speaker 1: Because I haven't done anything like you just put in from here to there.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, but you put it here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you. You did something, right? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But, um.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Sufficient maybe. Okay. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Although it's doing so well. You.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But maybe I should have, Uh. Yeah, I don't know if I could do it even better. Okay. And. They were trying to find another spot. I don't know what's better than that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Why didn't you try? Why?
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Speaker 2: That's the thing. I want to say that maybe I'm just sufficient, but excellent, because I haven't tried any other thing.
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Speaker 1: But my question was also why? Why you didn't you stay with it, right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was in and then. It's fine. Yeah. Why move it to another place? Yeah. Probably need to settle down with like a plan to get well in a place to move it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I.
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Speaker 2: See. Yeah. Cause with plans you also. Try not to always move it or it gets adapted maybe to some places in your life. Yeah, especially. Right. Um. What do you think would help you to improve your care to it?
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Speaker 1: Knowing more or understanding better. And but at the same time, I don't think that it might be a complex, uh, organism. So. I don't think I should be taking care.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: It goes. It goes along. I don't. I don't. Uh, for me, it's more I, I think it. I told you, like, contemplative, let's say, uh, then a bit. And I'm not neither, but maybe I'm not a bad person at all.
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Speaker 2: So, yeah.
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Speaker 1: So this can can live without me.
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Speaker 2: Your relations is more like, okay, I provide this place.
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Speaker 1: Coexistence.[JZ3]
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Speaker 2: And then. Yeah. Yeah. Not too much. Like.
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.
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Speaker 2: It's needed or something.
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Speaker 1: No, I think it's, uh. Yeah. Coexistence, but, um. Yeah. No. No. I don't have pets. So yeah.
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Speaker 2: But for instance, compared to the kombucha you were making. Yeah, it's totally different, right? Yeah, because.
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Speaker 1: Kombucha. Then I need you to drink it. So I need to take care also that I'm not doing something. Yeah. Dangerous or poisonous and, uh. And I have, uh, a, a lot of indicators.[JZ4] I'd say again, used test, uh, page, uh, temperature. Um. That it even is merely that's something also. And I do something with it. Yeah. You drink it? I drink it. It's not that I'm going, uh, um. For nothing. I mean, I, like. I like to drink. Um.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And was this. Do you sometimes feel like what? What for or.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's. It's nice. It's really cool. But I can. Not see a function yet.
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Speaker 2: Directly. Yeah. Although I say, oh, it's producing Oxygen. But as we discussed last time, you said it's maybe not visible.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, not so much. I don't know. But I don't You feel.
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Speaker 2: It's not so.
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Speaker 1: Much. Maybe. Also here, it's getting a. It's a big space and probably the amount of oxygen that can purify, it's not so much.
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Speaker 2: I see. So maybe through this Artefact you still feel a bit doubtful or skeptical about the function of what? Oxygen Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. For me, because also the. The material. I don't feel that this is. Um. Breathing.[JZ5]
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Speaker 2: I see what you mean. So, although I tell you, it's.
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Speaker 1: Free, but I still think. Oh, yeah, but how? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And also, I guess you don't really depend on it. Like if you drink kombucha, you drink, right? You if you do not take care, you poison yourself. Yeah. But for this one it's like it can be here or it can not. It's not that necessary. Yeah. Mm. Interesting.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all my questions.
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Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah. I don't know when.
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Speaker 1: You have any other remarks.
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Speaker 2: I mean, can I. Can I keep it?
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Speaker 1: I. I'm not sure. What. Yeah, why not? I mean, as long. I don't know, I. Yeah, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: How, how long it will last. And I'm also. I don't mind, uh, I, I, I don't mind, uh, explaining it to you. Okay. Uh, I mean, yeah, I can keep, uh, sending photos or whatever and keep you posted on the stage. That's nice, but I don't know how long it will take. Neither.
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Speaker 1: I'm also.
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Speaker 2: Curious. And how will I know that it's, like, dead or not alive? Yeah, because of the color. Yeah. Yeah. Probably just because.
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Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Because I haven't really seen the whole life cycle either. So I'm also very curious. Maybe you can just keep it here because we live quite close. So. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you ever need it, of course.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't need it right now, but, uh, probably at the end of the project I need to just collect them. But for now, at the end.
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Speaker 2: Of the project, we don't know if.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Great. Yeah. So if I need it, I will just text you and, uh.
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Speaker 2: Sure to pick it up and. Yeah, if I see any other thing. Is there something I should, uh, like?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Anything you think it's interesting? Okay. I mean, you've lived with it for two weeks and more than two weeks, so you should know more than me.
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Speaker 2: Why would you still study? You study. So. But, yeah, let's see how this evolves.
00:17:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice.
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Speaker 2: But of course, if you ever need it. Yeah, I will keep in mind.
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Speaker 1: Nice.

[JZ1]Doing its own business - when the artefact is situated at a optimal spot, people reduce its interaction
[JZ2]ÒIs it dangerous?Ó Concerning unknown changes to be damaging
[JZ3]Care doesnÕt need to be performative - but rather Òco-existenceÓ
[JZ4]Kombucha is different because I need to drink it - which can be poisonous if care is not taken well
[JZ5]The materials feels like not breathing


Elena 3.m4a



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