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Speaker 1: Okay, Right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So how was it like to live with no name? Yes. I mean.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what else to say, but. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: It was fine. Yes. Okay. Did you want to share anything specific of your experience?
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think we experimented with it quite a lot to the start, and then maybe we've run out a little bit of things to do with it that I see.[JZ1] Interesting. But yeah.
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Speaker 2: What would you say is interesting to do?
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Speaker 1: I would have said initially it was obvious it worked well with light sensitivity and shading.[JZ2] It worked not very well with Led lights. The red one doesn't surprise me. I'm actually slightly surprised that the white led. Didn't have a big effect. I guess that's to do with intensity of light. But yeah, I was expecting that to have a bigger effect. I see.
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Speaker 2: So you think the sensitivity is a bit. Not to your expectation.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's responding fine to white light from the sun. I don't know if the white led light is genuinely a full spectrum light or not, but I was expecting it to have a bigger. Effect, but the sensitivity is quite predictable once you've gone through a few. Day night cycles, you know basically what's going to happen.[JZ3]
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Speaker 2: I see. Yeah. Um. How did you take care of it? What did you try?
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Speaker 1: Um. Well, moving it about the place. Um. Light or no light. Light of different wavelengths. That's pretty much it. And then we just avoided putting it anywhere too hot.[JZ4]
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Speaker 2: But that's all I see. Yeah. Can you give an example of what you did to it?
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Speaker 1: Well, for the first few days, as you saw from the photos, it was on the table there because it gets the light in the morning. Um, after that, really the only thing it was doing was hanging over the chair there, which doesn't make a lot of difference. It just gets the light at different times rather than anything else.[JZ5]
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Speaker 2: I see. And what did you notice? How did it respond to it?
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Speaker 1: Pretty much the same, nearly always. And that is in the morning. It's not particularly the purple color from the dye is not that obvious. And then an hour or two later and you get the purple color quite strongly.[JZ6] Um, my impression is a little well certainly that the dye area has moved as we discussed. I don't know whether it's less or not, but it's clearly migrating down. [JZ7]I see.
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Speaker 2: Does the purple also migrate?
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Speaker 1: Well, I think the region of it was I mean, well, you can tell from the pictures, but I think it was more sharper. So I think it's more diffuse now. The purple and I think it may have been a little bit higher up. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So the whole thing was yes, the.
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Speaker 1: Whole thing has shifted down.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see. I can also. Yeah, I can also tell a bit. Yeah. It was somewhere here. Yes exactly. Oh interesting. Never thought, never thought this could happen.
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Speaker 1: But what is it? It's inoculated. How is it? Inoculated. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Oh, you mean how I. Yes, I it was mainly yellow fight. So basically the position was fixed by pouring the, uh, jelly. Fine. How do I. Which one do you mean?
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Speaker 1: The pdms? Or do you mean this agar?
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Speaker 2: The agar. Okay, so.
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Speaker 1: The zygote inside, right? Got it. Does the agar have any nutrients in it? Yes. Okay. That could explain it, I guess there's it's occupying the area that has the more nutrients maybe.[JZ8]
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see. Interesting. And this part is kind of depleted.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that I would have said so? Yes. Um, I mean, I, I don't know which species you using, but I know some of them can move, some of them can do gliding motility. So it could also be growth. I don't know. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. But this part did not be exposed to different lighting situations.
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Speaker 1: Not really.
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Speaker 2: No, no, no. Okay. Interesting. All right. Um, you said you place it here and also at the back of the sofa. That's right, Yes. Can you explain to me why you chose the. I mean, you mentioned here it gets light. Yes. Why did you why did you move it to the sofa?
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Speaker 1: Only because it has light at different times.
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Speaker 2: Okay. And you wanted to see how it's different. I see. Uh, yes. Um, yeah, we briefly talked about it, but can you elaborate more? Like, why do you think it it changed in the different manners?
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Speaker 1: Um, well, the first response to light is quite obvious because it's photosynthetic. And the second one, as I say, I'm not completely sure, but I have a feeling it's basically dying out. Or moving from the upper area. So you're not seeing it anymore. And it's either growing into and or moving into the area that's got nutrients which would be consistent with nutrient. Deprivation in the old area and finding new nutrients in the lower area.
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Speaker 2: And this already happens within one week time, actually. Yes.
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Speaker 1: Yes. I guess we're slightly over a week, aren't we? I can't remember the date, but. Yeah. Yeah. Right? Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And how did you feel when you noticed these changes in the Artefact?
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Speaker 1: Interested?
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Speaker 2: Interested. Oh, Why did you feel that way? Well, just.
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Speaker 1: Because I know a bit about the organism, and on the whole, it was behaving as I expected.
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Speaker 2: As you expected. Did you feel any other things? Any other feelings?
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Speaker 1: Not really, no. I think if you. It may be somebody who isn't a microbiologist, may feel a bit differently about it, but. Yeah[JZ9].
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see. For you, it's pure interest into the. Yes, I see. And how much time did you find yourself set aside for the Artefact to look after it?
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Speaker 1: Not really. Very much. It was only a few minutes to move it to a new place. And then everything else is just taking photographs.[JZ10]
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Speaker 2: I see. And for instance, did you, when you decided to do the coin experiment and the lighting experiment, was it more like intuitively you thought of them or you planned it? Did you spend time?
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Speaker 1: It was planned. It was just to shade an area. From light and see how precisely.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And are those experiments natural to you or. You did think about it for some time. It Was it more natural?
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Speaker 1: What do you mean by natural?
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Speaker 2: Like? Like, how how did you come up with those ideas, basically?
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Speaker 1: Um, for me, they're fairly obvious things to do when, you know, an organism responds to light. There's a set of things that you can do to look at that. And normally intensity of light is one thing. I can't find the. We have a prism somewhere. Normally I would put a prism on top of it. Prism Optical. Prism to split the light.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I see.
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Speaker 1: Because then you would see if different colors of light. Effect different, which you'd expect, but I don't have that here. But that's sort of thing I would normally do.[JZ11]
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see. Yeah. Did the Artefact change your daily routine anyways?
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Speaker 1: Uh, only a little bit. I mean, pretty much the taking of photographs. And normally when I moved it, I'd move it in the morning.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see. And do you feel motivated to look after the Artefact and why?
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Speaker 1: Um, a little bit. Not hugely. Um, yeah.
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Speaker 2: And does the fact, for instance, that it produces Oxygen and absorbs CO2 from the air, does that motivate you? Is that important to you?
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Speaker 1: Not on.
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Speaker 2: This scale. I don't believe there's enough. I see. Happening to have a big effect on what's going on in the house.[JZ12]
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Speaker 1: Okay. So it would if it would be, for instance, the the scale of the war, it would change your motivation. I would have.
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Speaker 2: To be convinced that it was actually genuinely changing the environment. Yes, I.
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Speaker 1: See. Yeah. Yeah. And only the scale would convince you or.
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Speaker 2: Well, the effectiveness is one thing. Um, I work on motile organisms anyway, and if it moves a lot and is even more responsive to what you do, that's likely to attract more experiments.
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Speaker 1: I see.
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Speaker 2: So the more interesting it is, the more things you can do with it, the more time I'm likely to spend with it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. For you it became because it became a bit more expected. Yes. The color change sort of on rhythm, I guess. Yes. Yeah. That makes it a bit disconnected maybe to what you do to, uh.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I see. Yeah. Um. I think you already mentioned it a little bit, but what would motivate motivate you even more in looking after the Artefact.
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Speaker 2: Either greater complexity which attracts interest or greater utility, which gives you a reason for working with it more.
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Speaker 1: And what do you mean by complexity.
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Speaker 2: And say.
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Speaker 1: If it responded more to more stimuli than just light or it responded to light in a more precise or interesting way, or more quickly, then there's more things that you can do to interact with it.
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Speaker 2: I see. So you would really like to experiment and see the response in a more interesting, complex and but more responsive manner? Yes. I see. My final question would be, does your experience of living with the Artefact remind you of any other experiences of taking care of other things? For instance, a person, an animal, a plant or other microbe that you work with.
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Speaker 1: Pretty much other microbes.
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Speaker 2: Okay. And how is that?
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Speaker 1: It's very similar to what I would. Do anyway. So as I say, I work with responsive microbial systems anyway, so it would be like that.
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Speaker 2: I see. It reminds you of what you do in laboratory. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Um, yeah. Then. Then I'm curious because in lab, you do pretty much controlled. I guess, controlled experiments and for this Artefact. Do you also try to control the condition or was more organic?
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Speaker 1: No, it was trying to control the condition. Hence the coin was supposed to show where the light hadn't gone to see if there was a difference. Then I took pictures of the Led lights, the present, and then showed the picture when they were gone. So again, you could compare the difference. So it is the same thing.
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Speaker 2: And did you feel what did you feel when you noticed that the coin had or had not an effect.
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Speaker 1: That made it more interesting whenever one of the experiments had an effect and the coin did have an effect. So I see.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Nice. Um, yeah, that was all my questions. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty fast interview. Um, and I noticed you. So you share with me, like, photos of here and there. Yeah. And those are the things you tried, right? You didn't try any other.
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Speaker 1: Um, no.
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Speaker 2: Not really. No.
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Speaker 1: No. Okay. I see. Yeah. Thank you very much. And next week, I'm going to follow up with this interview. So another set of questions. Yeah, similar, but just to go deeper and into the reflections, um.
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Speaker 2: Do you need also to take that back or do you need to dispose of it? What do you want to do?
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Speaker 1: So now you will keep living with it for another week and next week I'm going to take it back if that's okay.
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Speaker 2: And do you want to take it back or you want to destroy it?
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Speaker 1: No, I will just take it. Okay, fine. Okay. I won't destroy it right away. Sure. Okay. Yeah. Because I'm still interested.

[JZ1]Doing experiments with the artefact
[JZ2]Sensitivity varies per condition, and drops over time
[JZ3]Noticing day/night cycles, which become predictable
[JZ4]Try different light sources as a way of care
[JZ5]Moving the artefact to different locations - which receive light at different times of the day - made no difference
[JZ6]Respond the same regardless of locations
[JZ7]Colouring area migrated
[JZ8]Explaining the migration due to nutrients depletion
[JZ9]Being a microbiologist - not so much feelings 
[JZ10]Not much time has been set aside for taking care of it
[JZ11]Very obvious to experiment with light and shadow to the organism - even thinking of a prism
[JZ12]Doubtful about effectiveness of oxygen release


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