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Speaker 1: So how how is it like to live with stranger Things so far?
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Speaker 2: Nothing really special, actually, because I'm so busy, so I don't really look at it. Yeah, I think I checked. It's. It's. It's condition for three times in the past week. Like I thought it's pretty good. So I didn't didn't spend too much attention on it. But I really like to be with it. [JZ1]Like it feels like a plant, but a different plant. [JZ2]Hm.
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Speaker 1: Do you want to share anything specific you experienced last week?
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Speaker 2: Anything specific? I just felt, Oh, it's really interesting to be with Junjun. Why? Is it because it's really new and like, you don't see this kind of thing ever before[JZ3]. And also realize it's just bacteria[JZ4]. And it's also it's arty Artefact like it's manmade. Because I'm the designer. So I'm thinking, Oh, this is future.[JZ5]
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Speaker 1: I see.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. I thought, Oh, what I can do with it? Which design can I make? Like really fascinating installation. [JZ6]Put the museum. Mhm.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So you are already in creative mode when you see Jingjing. Is it kind of inspiring for you? Yeah. Mm. 
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Also because I'm working with deep ecology, so. It is nice to realize that there is also life being real living with you because I mean, bacteria is everywhere, but you don't really see them. You you see molds with food get moldy, but you don't see bacteria. I see. Okay.[JZ7] Um.
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Speaker 1: What have you noticed in Dream? Dream?
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Speaker 2: I just noticed that I got him. Bohr. And popular early day and a lot of water.
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Speaker 1: I see. Did they get more purple every day?
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Speaker 2: I think so, yeah. Day by day, yeah[JZ8].
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Speaker 1: And can you give me an example?
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Speaker 2: The example of getting purple. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: For instance, when was it? When did you see it?
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Speaker 2: I think in the middle of last week. I moved it. Closer to my window.
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Speaker 1: Closer to this?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. To this window. Because before it was really far away. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Why did you move it?
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Speaker 2: Because I thought, okay, it could get lighter. Okay. That is not that so different. So I move it towards the window for then I noticed it's getting a lot of this pink and purple tone.[JZ9]
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Speaker 1: Oh, I see. Yeah. Wow. And why do you think it changed in that manner?
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Speaker 2: Because it gets more light. Very simple.
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Speaker 1: I see.
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Speaker 2: I also have a light meter. I also measure. Oh, really? For my plants I would measure where. [JZ10]Okay. Where I can. How much light?
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Speaker 1: Did you measure for drink? Drink?
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Speaker 2: No, not yet.
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Speaker 1: Are you planning to measure it now?
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Speaker 2: Maybe I can try. Okay. Yeah.[JZ11]
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Speaker 1: And how did you feel about the change of changing to more purple? Mm.
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Speaker 2: It's just really nice to see things give you a reaction. It's like your plant flower bloom, but for you it changes color. So it's communicating with you.[JZ12]
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Speaker 1: So you like to be able to communicate with. Plans are changing.
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Speaker 2: I think every living beings somehow communicating with us, with humans. But it's. It's about how we find our common language because sometimes we just can't understand them. But this is a tool to translate.
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Speaker 1: It's a nice framing. So can you elaborate more on this? Nice. Is it is it because of your designer and you see the potential in it, or is it just as a human you you feel what exactly is nice about it?
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Speaker 2: Just from my opinion, because I really believe in deep ecology and the symbiotic relationship between humans and other living beings. And humans has the intelligence or tool or also means to to really try to be try to communicate, understand, empathize. Other living beings because they actually they communicate communicate with each other in their own way. Yeah. And we need to find our way to communicate with them as well.[JZ13]
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Speaker 1: Mm. So you feel it's the correct thing to do or you feel.
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Speaker 2: Uh, depends. Depends. Because they are also sometimes you have to think about, for example, plant rights or animal rights. Like you can't manipulate them, manipulate them in a way that will harm them or they feel pain or. Yeah. This kind of thing. So I think there is a nuance between, uh, using with depending on them, using them and exploiting them.
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Speaker 1: And in this case, what do you think about this? Is it more two way?
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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty okay because, like, because I work with plants and talk about plant rights, most people don't think plant has rights because plants don't have consciousness or, uh, feelings and bacteria probably have way less than plants. And I think also for the purpose for the means to understand other beings, to communicate, communicate with them. Scientific research like this should be, uh, how do you say it should be? Uh. Approved. So I just think it's pretty good we have this.[JZ14]
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Speaker 1: Okay. Thank you. You already mentioned that you didn't spend too much time with Jingjing. You only paid attention to Junjun three times in the past week. Could you describe more how much time you spent with Stranger Every Day? And when do you spend this time with Stranger?
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Speaker 2: Most time is if I come home earlier. Like usually I came home very late in the evening, so like, I don't see much difference because. The light is gone. So is the purple tone is also a bit gone with the light. Okay. But if I come from school earlier, for example, in the late afternoon, like 4 or 5, there was a lot of light coming in my room. So I see like I look in my plants, then I see Junjun doing really well. [JZ15]Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Um, And did this change your daily routine?
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Speaker 2: No, not necessarily per se, because I also have to take care of my plants. So also every morning when I'm eating my breakfast, I look in my plants.[JZ16]
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Speaker 1: So when you look at your plants.
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Speaker 2: So I also look into. But yeah, um.
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Speaker 1: Okay. So how did you take care of Junjun? What did you try?
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Speaker 2: It's. Maybe I should stop chewing.
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Speaker 1: It's not going to be transcribed.
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Speaker 2: Because I do thought, okay, Junior, you need like just like some plants that they want a lot of light and they can't be directly exposed to sunlight.[JZ17] So first week I put in on the east eastern window. Um, there there are flowers to dark. Also, I didn't see too much change. So second day I put it actually on the west window. But there is too light. I'm afraid to get direct light. Okay, so I thought, okay, so the southern window actually good option because it's always light there. And the window is really small. So if you put super high you don't get direct sunlight. So but that was like the second day when Junjun arrived at my home. I already put it there. Then in the middle week I saw Junior is doing pretty well there. I thought, okay, it likes the light. I push it closer, even closer to the window.[JZ18]
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So you put it actually there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. East first and then west. Yeah, but a really short time stay in the west. Yeah. Like afternoon or something. Okay.
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Speaker 1: Well, I noticed you had your drink on the on the curtain rail. And why did you do that?
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Speaker 2: I tried to let it stay on my on the east or west window. It doesn't really make sense because it's like a piece of, like, paper thing, like a sheet. It takes a lot of space. I also need that space for my plants or other things.[JZ19] So I thought, okay, maybe I should hang it, let it stay vertical, but it doesn't have, uh, like hook thing. I can hook it, but it you can't bend the sheet. Then let it just hang on a rod.[JZ20]
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Speaker 1: Did you try any other shape or position?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. You mean not hanging, but like, not. Yeah, I did let it laying down just sometimes. Yeah. Flat also on the on the east window because it has this slope. I like to lay down the slope as well.
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Speaker 1: You mean the heater?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. On the heater. Like the window sill.
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Speaker 1: Oh there. Oh you mean just put it on there. Oh I see. And now it's sticking on the wall in the toilet.
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Speaker 2: It's pretty good polisher.
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Speaker 1: So as I understood that position didn't really work. Also, this didn't really work.
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Speaker 2: I guess the first one might work, but I just didn't have enough patience to wait to see it. If I just judge from what I have, what my experience now, I think it used window could also work. Okay. But here it's too light.[JZ21]
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but here is the moment. You see that it really. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: And how long did it take to turn purple?
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Speaker 2: A day or two days? I think. Two days. [JZ22]Okay.
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Speaker 1: Do you feel motivated to look after Jin Jin?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really happy to have Junjun with me.
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Speaker 1: Why is that?
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Speaker 2: I think like just what I explained with to be able to realize there is other living beings with you and to see their reaction. Like see you taking care of them well. [JZ23]Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And what would motivate you even more in look after the. Mhm.
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Speaker 2: I think more information around it because I don't know when it will die because. Because it's in a closed environment. Right. So I thought, okay, maybe one day everything gonna just die out because the environment has its reach, its limitation.[JZ24]
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. Yeah. Do you think the the fact that it's producing oxygen that is purifying the air, does that motivate you?
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Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't realize that. Will the air go through silicon? Yeah. Oh, okay.
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Speaker 1: Because I'm giving the instruction card that, uh.
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Speaker 2: Okay. So it's not fully closed environment. It is having exchange with oxygen. Oh, okay. Oh, that's then. I will think that will motivate me. Oh, okay.[JZ25]
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Speaker 1: You didn't know that? No, I didn't know. I thought, you know, because I wrote on the instruction card. But I thought you get the information. So the bacteria, what they do is that they absorb CO2 from the air and release oxygen. So it's just like.
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Speaker 2: A Yeah, but I just didn't know the air can go through silicon.
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Speaker 1: Oh I see you thought the air is keeps inside. Oh, okay. So if so, it would change if you already know the error can go through. How would that change?
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Speaker 2: I don't know, like, because I think that needs time to experience.[JZ26]
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Speaker 1: Okay, maybe for the second week you can experiment. Great. My final question is, does your experience with student remind you of any other experiences that you take care of? Other things like plants or animals or a person?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I my mom and it feels like I'm taking my plants. But then quick it's like another plant. Yeah, but quickly you realize, oh, it's actually, it's bacteria and it's. It's a design. It's Artefact with bacteria in it. So it's artificial nature.[JZ27] Mm. Like. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And you don't think plants are artificial nature?
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Speaker 2: Plants are also. Yeah. Plants are also artificial. Artificial in a way.
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Speaker 1: And how is it different from taking care of our plant or how is it similar?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of ways they are similar because they just requires you understand what they need and put them in a right position. Like give them the right care. Like not too much, not too less. And they also I think the main difference is the reaction is stimulated by the reaction of Junjun. Junjun is stimulated by designers like by the maker.
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Speaker 1: But how about your care?
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Speaker 2: I think the care are quite similar. But I think you can don't need that much care as plant needs. Cloud Plant. I also have to prune it to give it fertilizer and water it very often.
00:17:07
Speaker 1: Yeah. So for Junjun, it's more like moving around. Yeah. Yeah. And how did you feel then? Because we noticed the color turned a bit white, Right? You didn't notice that?
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Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't notice at all.[JZ28]
00:17:31
Speaker 1: No. And how did you feel when I told you it's dying?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought. Okay. Yeah, it's quite natural. Like it will happen for changing because I already expected it going to die, actually in a closed environment. I thought.[JZ29]
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but when I told you it's because it received too much light. Oh.
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Speaker 2: I didn't have so much. I didn't feel like. How do you say? Not so shocked. And I also didn't feel super bad about it because it's just natural. I see result because plants also sometimes lose a leaf if you don't take care of well these days because the sun is so strong. Many leaves got burned of my plants and I have to cut them away. But I also know it's gonna grow back someday. But it can also grow back, reproduce, regenerate.[JZ30]
00:18:35
Speaker 1: Yeah. We don't know. Let's see. We're gonna see for the second week. Okay. Thank you for the answers.
00:18:46
Speaker 2: You're welcome.

[JZ1]Living with it is not time and attention consuming
[JZ2]Like a plant, but not a plant
[JZ3]Novelty
[JZ4]Realization of bacteria is nice
[JZ5]Futuristic artefact
[JZ6]Junjun is inspiring for designers
[JZ7]The fact that I see bacteria is nice - ecological connection to microbes
[JZ8]Jun jun getting purple day by day
[JZ9]Moving towards window and get more light, then colour becomes more purple - link between action and result
[JZ10]Light meter for plants - very precise way of caring
[JZ11]To follow up
[JZ12]It feels good to get response and able to communicate to things
[JZ13]ThereŐs a need to find ways to communicate with other living beings - as we are in deep ecological relations
[JZ14]Acknowledging the value of research like thisÉ
[JZ15]Link between light condition and colour is clear
[JZ16]Plants and Junjun being taken care together
[JZ17]Experience with plants can transfer
[JZ18]Positive feedback leads to going further for the reward
[JZ19]Flat sheet takes space
[JZ20]Hang-ability worked
[JZ21]Not enough patience in the beginning but over time patience can be compensated with experience
[JZ22]Memory is not so reliable - actually it took 1 day for himÉ
[JZ23]Taking care of living things and see reaction itself is nice and motivative
[JZ24]The concern that it will probably die one day might hold back care
[JZ25]DidnŐt understand that oxygen can go out  - would probably motivate him also - but will follow up
[JZ26]Follow up for the second week
[JZ27]Like plant, but as soon as realising itŐs bacteria in an artefact it changed.
[JZ28]DidnŐt notice colour turned whiteÉ
[JZ29]Closed environment gives the concern and normalise the concern
[JZ30]Believing that Junjun is gonna revive


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